[WikiEN-l] [Fwd: Re: The hard work of NPOV]

[Fred Bauder]

I aspire to more, but did we even satisfy the requirements of NPOV?

Fred

> Even if we gave little weight to such claims that isn't our fault.
> Giving extra
> weight due to or own suspicions or looking at the facts on the ground
> would almost certainly constitute [[WP:OR|original research]]. Not our
> job.
>
> Quoting Fred Bauder <fredbaud at fairpoint.net>:
>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] The hard work of NPOV
>> From: "Fred Bauder" <fredbaud at fairpoint.net>
>> Date: Thu, December 6, 2007 12:15 pm
>> To: <dgoodmanny at gmail.com>
>>
>> I was in an evil mood and confess to trolling; there are a lot of good
>> thoughts at http://yudkowsky.net/virtues/ besides the sentence I
>> seized on. We have published a "consensus of the most widespread
>> error" from time to time, particularly in the run-up to the Iraq War.
>> (I was one of the parties in error). Especially with current events,
>> it is hard to know when you are doing that as our favored sources, in
>> my case The New York Times, are fostering the error.
>>
>> It would be interesting to go back and look at the development of
>> those articles and see how much "air time" we gave to the view that
>> there were no weapons on mass destruction. Some modesty is in order.
>> Even some intelligence services were taken in. We can aspire to do
>> better then they, but without good sources on the ground, and
>> willingness to use what they might tell us, which is their failing
>> too, we cannot expect to surpass them.
>>
>> Fred
>>
>>> perhaps we should redefine it our goal, as the nearest practical
>>> approach to truth the wiki process can obtain, obtained at in a
>>> spirit of impartiality. That's what people reasonably expect from us,
>>> not a consensus of the most widespread error.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 6, 2007 9:17 AM, Fred Bauder <fredbaud at fairpoint.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> > http://yudkowsky.net/virtues/
>>>> >
>>>> > Please discuss.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > - d.
>>>>
>>>> "If you fail to achieve a correct answer, it is futile to protest
>>>> that you acted with propriety."
>>>>
>>>> NPOV is a measure of propriety, not of truth.
>>>>
>>>> Fred
>>>>
>>>>
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