[WikiEN-l] Arbiter involvement on the Durova affair

[joshua.zelinsky at yale.edu]

Quoting SlimVirgin <slimvirgin at gmail.com>:

> Alec Conroy alecmconroy at gmail.com
> Fri Nov 30 04:33:08 UTC 2007
>
> ... Now at least two arbiters decided, long before this case started, that
> not only was a "secret investigations" list appropriate,but they
> actively participated in it.  Any ruling against addressing whether
> "secret investigations lists" are appropriate is commenting just as
> much on Flonight and Morven as it is on Durova ...
>
> Members of hte Secret Investigations List shoudl have been recused
> from the get go.  They shouldn't have been even participating, they
> should  have been parties.
>
> -------------------------------
>
> Alec, you're mixing up so many issues, it's hard to know where to
> begin. Some points:
>
> 1. There is no suggestion that Durova, or anyone else, mentioned !! on
> the Investigations list.
> 2. I can confirm that no ArbCom member took part in the thread that
> Durova started with her case study of !! on the cyberstalking list.
> There is therefore no evidence that ArbCom members even saw it. The
> list can sometimes be high traffic, and not everything gets read. You
> wouldn't want to be held responsible for everything that happens
> subsequent to posts on this mailing list just because you subscribe to
> it.
> 3. I'm again confirming that Durova didn't propose to block !! on the
> cyberstalking list.
> 4. You're trying to create a "secret lists" meme, just as others tried
> to create a BADSITES one. Fact: there are no secret lists. There are
> public ones and private ones. The existence of the private ones is not
> a secret. It's just that the membership and the discussion is not
> posted. Just as your private inbox not being open to the public
> doesn't mean that your use of e-mail is a secret.
>
> Sarah

I'll of this seems more or less correct but the last point. As far as I can
tell, well before the !! incident some concern was raised by admins on that
list that information from the list had been leaked to Alkivar which prompted
his retirement notice mentioning SV. Now, I just have this second hand, so I
may be getting some garbled information here.