[WikiEN-l] Misogyny is the perfect troll

[Jussi-Ville Heiskanen]

On 8/30/07, K P <kpbotany at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 8/28/07, Steven Walling <steven.walling at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Don't be so quick to judge. I didn't say it didn't exist. I said I didn't
> > know what incident she was talking about, and I couldn't think of any
> > examples of blatant misogyny on-wiki from personal experience. Don't assume
> > my experience encompasses everything on-wiki, and certainly not what you or
> > anyone else has. I didn't say a "pimpmasta123" name or a pimp userbox wasn't
> > misogynist, I said I'd never heard of it.
> >
> > On 8/28/07, K P <kpbotany at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > On 8/28/07, Steven Walling <steven.walling at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > What thread are you speaking of? Have you really been attacked as a
> > > woman
> > > > authority figure on-wiki by anyone other than vandals? I mean, I
> > > wouldn't be
> > > > surprised, but I don't think I've ever seen any cases of outright
> > > misogyny.
> > > > Usually people are too focused on the faggot, N-bomb, commie-pinko,
> > > faggot,
> > > > nerd, faggot, loser vein to bother to say "get back in the kitchen,
> > > stupid
> > > > woman". Or maybe it's that there are so few female Wikipedians that it
> > > > hasn't had the opportunity to crop up yet...which might be even worse an
> > > > issue, imo
> > > >
> > > > On 8/28/07, Durova <nadezhda.durova at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > In respect to a thread here and a recent private discussion I'll
> > > highlight
> > > > > the valuable side effects of misogyny.
> > > > >
> > > > > *Misogyny discredits the individual who possesses it.*  From a
> > > distance it
> > > > > may not be obvious which side of a dispute can supply better evidence,
> > > > > but open bigotry sure as heck is obvious.
> > > > >
> > > > > *Misogyny relieves me of regrets.*  Sometimes I second guess myself
> > > after
> > > > > I
> > > > > use the sysop tools.  A sexist quip clears my conscience.  I go away
> > > happy
> > > > > to be the sysop and equally happy the fellow is blocked or banned.
> > > > >
> > > > > *Misogyny is the perfect troll. * I'm not above a little
> > > *schadenfreude*;
> > > > > I
> > > > > think it's hilarious.  Misogyny generates misery among a certain set
> > > of
> > > > > people who are basically unpleasant anyway and wastes huge amounts of
> > > > > their
> > > > > time and energy.  Best of all, I break zero rules and keep all my
> > > online
> > > > > buddies while they make themselves despised and sometimes even
> > > endanger
> > > > > their careers.
> > > > >
> > >
> > > Oh please, calling oneself a pimp as a user name and saying, "Gotta

> You also might be less likely to be sensitive to it for obvious
> reasons.  There are many things that men simply don't look twice at,
> that many women would find misogynist because they look at it from a
> different angle.  I don't find the turning of "pimp" into an
> acceptable verb to be acceptable, mostly because the men who flaunt it
> seem to be using it in the old and more familiar sense, and are just
> taking advantage of, or lying about, its meaning in the vernacular.
> But many men I know who I don't think are misogynists, don't see
> anything offensive with "pimp my ride."
>
> My son for example doesn't find the expression "pimp my ride" and
> related expressions offensive, and thinks I'm over-reacting that I do
> find them offended--"It's the vernacular, Mom, that language you
> adore."  Yet, he considers it offensive to call someone a pimp as a
> compliment.

These things drift with the times as well. At one time (the
shakespearean/elizabethan age), "punque" used to refer
to underage male prostitutes. Today calling a male child
"you little punk", wouldn't be perceived as offensive by
many.


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Jussi-Ville Heiskanen, ~ [[User:Cimon Avaro]]