[WikiEN-l] Michael Moore's website attacking WP editor

Frank Bellowes fbellowes at gmail.com
Mon Aug 27 17:32:02 UTC 2007


It would be petulant for us to remove the link to Moore's site. In any case,
the problem seems to be that one editor is in a COI because he is employed
by the pharmaceutical industry that Moore is targeting.

On 8/26/07, John Lee <johnleemk at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 8/24/07, crock spot <crockspot at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > A clear violation of [[WP:NPA#External links]]. Just asking nicely is
> > likely
> > to fail. That link should be removed from wikipedia until the attack is
> > removed from the website.
> >
> > Crockspot
>
>
> So, we should not link the official website of a notable person, just
> because that notable person said some not-nice things about an editor?
> People like Jayjg were saying "Oh, this wouldn't happen - this is clearly
> not covered by the policy, all you need to do is use some common sense."
> Common sense is apparently not so common.
>
> (Oh, yes, and should we remove all citations to michaelmoore.com pages in
> our articles because it is now apparently an "attack site"?)
>
> When there is a trade-off between protecting one of us, and the quality of
> our encyclopaedia, which ought to come first? I suspect this disagreement
> is
> really intractable because it is a question of values. It is impossible to
> objectively answer this question.
>
> When attacked, some people's response is to demand that all links to the
> attack be removed. When I appeared on Hivemind, my response was to link to
> it - from a userbox, no less. These different responses occur not because
> some people see the logic and some people don't, but because different
> people have a different way of applying the same logic.
>
> If you ask me, the only way we'll ever put this debate to rest is if we
> have
> some leadership which can push something through. Remember, the only
> reason
> many think this policy was/is warranted was a vague edict of the arbcom's.
>
> Of course, I am doubtful we will see much leadership on this question.
> It's
> too hot-button an issue. It will probably be left to burn out on its own,
> pissing off a lot of editors on both sides in the process. I'm not sure if
> that's what anyone wants, but that's what'll probably happen.
>
> Johnleemk
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