[WikiEN-l] Checkuser for fun, for profit, for mild curiosity, for sharing, for whatever

[Casey Brown]

On 8/13/07, Anthony <wikimail at inbox.org> wrote:
>
> On 8/13/07, Gregory Maxwell <gmaxwell at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 8/13/07, Anthony <wikimail at inbox.org> wrote:
> > > So I raise questions about checkusers violating people's privacy, and
> > > you respond to it by violating my privacy, and the matter is suddenly
> > > closed?
> >
> > As far as I can tell, at this point, what you're actually doing is
> > trying to argue that our projects should tie their own hands so that
> > disruptive users, like yourself, can continue disrupting the project
> > without risk of their actions being attributed back to them.
> >
> Oh please, stop blaming the victim.  I'm not a disruptive user, and
> you yourself didn't have any problem with the honest mistake I made
> until today when I question your actions (something which I did
> without mentioning your name until you did so yourself).


Oh, don't you start.  You think you're the victim?  How many times have you
been put on moderation?  Do you like being put on moderation for every list
you comment on?  Obviously, you are a very disruptive user on the mailing
lists, I will not comment on your activity on-wiki.  Either way, you are
definitely not "the victim".

> If you actually think I've violated your privacy then I invite you to
> > take it up with the foundation. Otherwise, I expect an apology for
> > your libelous allegations about my conduct.
> >
> Hmm, let's see: "The tool [checkuser] is to be used to fight
> vandalism, to check for sockpuppet abuse, and to limit disruption of
> the project. It must be used only to prevent damage to one or several
> of Wikimedia projects.
>
> The tool should not be used for political control; to apply pressure
> on editors; or as a threat against another editor in a content
> dispute. There must be a valid reason to check a user. Note that
> alternative accounts are not forbidden, so long as they are not used
> in violation of the policies (for example, to double-vote or to
> increase the apparent support for any given position)."
>
> So, that's one policy you violated.


How so?

"It is the policy of Wikimedia that personally identifiable data
> collected in the server logs, or through records in the database via
> the CheckUser feature, may be released by the system administrators or
> users with CheckUser access, in the following situations:
>
>   1. In response to a valid subpoena or other compulsory request from
> law enforcement
>   2. With permission of the affected user
>   3. To the chair of Wikimedia Foundation, his/her legal counsel, or
> his/her designee, when necessary for investigation of abuse
> complaints.
>   4. Where the information pertains to page views generated by a
> spider or bot and its dissemination is necessary to illustrate or
> resolve technical issues.
>   5. Where the user has been vandalising articles or persistently
> behaving in a disruptive way, data may be released to assist in the
> targeting of IP blocks, or to assist in the formulation of a complaint
> to relevant Internet Service Providers
>   6. Where it is reasonably necessary to protect the rights, property
> or safety of the Wikimedia Foundation, its users or the public.
>
> Wikimedia policy does not permit public distribution of such
> information under any circumstances, except as described above."
>
> And there's a second policy you violated.


If you are going to talk like that, you have to explain in detail how Greg
violated that policy.  He did not publish the results of it, did he share
the other account name or IPs?  No.

If you think I've libeled you, then I invite you take it up with a
> court of law.  I'm not interested in playing with the Foundation's
> circus courts.
>
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