[WikiEN-l] Please stop this Re: The Second Rape: Victim-Blaming (was Re: Self-sensorship, how far should it go?)

[Kamryn Matika]

On 8/2/07, Armed Blowfish <diodontida.armata at googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> To those who say I have trivialised rape / violence - I'll not quote,
> it's been more than one person by now - I am afraid you are mistaken.
> Let's see... I am a victim of long term sexual abuse... I have friends
> who have been raped... I have friends who have been stabbed with
> knives and thrown down staircases.  And I am quite sure that, were
> those friends to read this, they would not be offended.  Some of them
> would probably be proud of me.
>
> I'm doing this to help victims and potential victims of abuse.  I
> cannot honestly expect people to provide helpful responses to a sort
> of pain they do not understand - hence, I've been trying to explain
> it.
>
> Also see this article by Deborah Orr entitled 'Deborah Orr: How can
> juries understand rape unless the full horror is explained to them?':
>
> http://comment.independent.co.uk/columnists_m_z/deborah_orr/article2201075.ece
>
> SlimVirgin may not, to our knowledge, be the victim of violent
> stalking... yet!  But one thing leads to another - once they can find
> you, it is quite possible that they will, and then the violence can
> start.  We can reduce the likelihood of that happening by providing
> social support, making her less vulnerable.  But even if it doesn't
> happen, there is still such a thing as 'emotional abuse'.
>
> Consider this USENET posting as quoted by Judith Donath of MIT Media
> Labs in the article 'Identity and Deception in the Virtual Community'
> which was published in 'Communities in Cyberspace',
> 'As far as letting you know my name or giving you my fingerprints or
> whatever else you demand, no I don't think so. There is more going on
> in this net than just misc.fitness.weights. I'm involved in the net
> war in alt.religion.scientology. Those cultists have so far raided 4
> of their net critics on bogus copyright violation charges, and in one
> case they placed a large amount of LSD on the toothbrush of a person
> who was raided, a couple of days before he was to undergo a video
> deposition. In my city they have been convicted of several crimes,
> including infiltrating the municipal, provincial, and federal police
> forces. No, I will not give out my name just to satify your
> curiousity. Deal with it.'
>
> Armed Blowfish
>
> On 02/08/07, Stephen Park <stephenpark15 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Comparing rape or violence to having your real life identity on
> > wikipedia outed is a loathsome analogy that trivializes rape and
> > violence, manipulates emotions and tries to exploit what victims of
> > rape and violence have gone through in order to make a point.
> >
> > While you may be the beneficiary of this insensitive and boorish
> > attempt to score a debating point I hope that you have enough
> > perspective to rise above the fray and condemn ArmedBlowFish's writing
> > for what it is.
> >
> > SV, quite frankly, you were sloppy and made mistakes. You used a
> > pseudonym that could be linked to you in real life. You edited
> > articles that you were connected to in real life in an obvious way.
> > You left a trail. Yes, it's too bad you were outed but it's not rape
> > and it's not violence. People shouldn't be saying that it is and you
> > shouldn't be encouraging them.
> >
> > SP
> >
> > On 8/2/07, Slim Virgin <slimvirgin at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On 8/2/07, Matthew Brown <morven at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On 8/1/07, Oskar Sigvardsson <oskarsigvardsson at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > You seem to be suggesting that I can't take issue with describing
> > > > someone as a troll because that same person is making rape
> > > > comparisons.  Others had already called that out; I saw no need to
> add
> > > > to it.
> > > >
> > > As I read Armedblowfish's post (from memory), he compared this
> > > situation to rape, violence, OR harassment, and his point was one
> > > about people being attacked for being attacked. It would make more
> > > sense to take that point, rather than focusing on a provocative word.
> > > (This isn't directed at Matthew, by the way, but at the other editors
> > > who complained, though I've lost track of who they were.)
> > >
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That's funny, because I know people who have been raped and they would be
incredibly pissed off to see their ordeal compared to the "horror" of having
your real name released on the internet. Fuck off and quit trolling. It's a
bit obvious that you're doing this because SV rained on your RFA and you're
looking for some kind of approval or validation. Please come back when you
have something relevant and not ridiculously offensive to say.

I can't believe a supposedly 'respected' Wikipedian like Jayjg is supporting
and encouraging this idiocy.