[WikiEN-l] The Second Rape: Victim-Blaming (was Re: Self-sensorship, how far should it go?)

[Joshua Brady]

Guys/Gals/Others,

This has turned into a free-for-all attack fest on SlimVirgin's
handling of things, and Jayjg's just being on the project. Let's try
to remember not to launch into personal attacks and remain calm, if
you seem like you are going to explode and can't take it anymore;
please back away from the computer, and do not post in the heat of
things.

We have all established:
- SlimVirgin's handling could have been better/worse/should be
oversighted/should not have been oversighted/we need to hire ninjas to
settle this/her MI6 handler is ready to wage a nuclear war James Bond
style.
- Jayjg's time here has come to a close and he should give it up or go
into hiding. Let's all remember we can not by consensus or forcing it
down someones throat, make them leave the project. If and only if
Jayjg himself decides to leave, he will leave. Removal of bits or
asking him to give them up, only gets old. If you want to involuntarly
take tools away from someone, first get a consensus to even make that
possible, then put the specific user up for removal of tools. English
wikipedia does not have a method of doing this currently.
-Other people saying 'we' really mean to say 'I'.
- That online harassment can evolve into a real life danger, something
one person has already confirmed, and something I can attest to as
well.
- Trying to run between terminals at tokyo, with only 30 minutes to do
so, will undoubtly result in a missed flight and forced delay as you
are put on another flight.

Can we try to move on and stop harping on this, and discuss a real
solution for a change? What do we want to do/what are we going to do
about this? What can/will we do to stop this in the future?

-Josh

On 8/2/07, Joshua Brady <somitho at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 8/2/07, jayjg <jayjg99 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 8/2/07, Steve Summit <scs at eskimo.com> wrote:
> > > Jayjg wrote:
> > > > O.K. Explain exactly how *I* was involved in the "response to
> > > > discussion attempts on-wiki". As far as I can tell, my total
> > > > involvement consisted of overwriting one comment on SV's talk page.
> > >
> > > Which I (perhaps inappropriately) pointed out.  But if you're not
> > > involved, then why have you posted 34 messages to this thread?
> >
> > I don't understand the question. If I post to the thread, then I
> > suddenly become "involved". Does that mean everyone who posted to this
> > thread is now "involved", and should leave Wikipedia?
> >
> > >
> > > > Apparently that one action was enough to generate both huge amounts
> > > > of "drama"...
> > >
> > > The drama that's present in this thread is indeed symptomatic of
> > > the problem this thread purports to be about.
> >
> > Which is why, of course, I suggested that we stop talking about it. If
> > the drama is actually all in this thread, then people shouldn't have
> > started it, and shouldn't be continuing it.
> >
> > > It's obvious to everyone but you
> >
> > Please don't presume to speak for "everyone"; I've had off-wiki
> > communications from others who say they have no idea what this is all
> > about.
> >
> > > but: nobody's talking about you
> > > just because of that one action.  Your involvement is not due to
> > > having removed (rather sneakily, I might add) one user's question
> > > from SlimVirgin's talk page recently, but rather, your consistent
> > > advocacy of the practice of doing so.  (Among other things.)
> >
> > Huh? I've consistently "advocated" the "practice" of removing stuff
> > from SV's talk page? Where have I done this? And you think I should
> > leave Wikipedia because you disagree with opinions that you apparently
> > have invented for me?
> >
> > I simply am not understanding any of this, as it doesn't appear to
> > accord with any reality I am familiar with.
> >
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