[WikiEN-l] Schools, notability, inclusionism, deletionism, etc.

[MacGyverMagic/Mgm]

A lot of verifiable material is also promotional material because not
everything verifiable is INDEPENDANTLY verifiable. And while one could
indeed create masses of stubs for everything, things like what Carl
described are better in the long run. Instead of creating stubs that cannot
grow people should try for lists and combined articles for stuff that will
never grow into a life-sized article itself.

When people cite that Wikipedia is "the sum of all human knowledge" they
forget this is the aim for Wikimedia. Anything that doesn't fit an
encyclopedia shouldn't be here. Quotes to WikiQuote, dicdefs to Wiktionary
and so on... I'm sure there's more such things that actually don't belong in
Wikipedia.

Mgm

On 9/24/06, Stephen Streater <sbstreater at mac.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 24 Sep 2006, at 09:44, charles.r.matthews at ntlworld.com wrote:
>
> > "Daniel R. Tobias" wrote
> >
> >> So, should we be just as complete for schools, albums, songs, TV
> >> shows, and so on?  Would that just be duplicating IMDB, etc., or
> >> would it be helping to make Wikipedia a one-stop resource for more
> >> in-
> >> depth info (including links where appropriate to other sites like
> >> IMDB) on everything in each of these fields?
> >
> > Do the flames of the old inclusionist/deletionist wars really need
> > fanning?
> >
> > I worked out my position long ago: pretty much deletionist on the
> > science side, for anything suspect; pretty much inclusionist in the
> > humanities; pretty much indifferent as to pop culture where it
> > really doesn't much matter one way or the other whether we have
> > articles on soap actors or not.
> >
> > On schools, they can be hacked back to stubs if they are full of
> > unverifiable stuff, or, more likely, promotional material.
>
> Some of us are working on a new notability guideline:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:NOTABILITY
>
> The key to me is that the content is reliable,
> which is covered by the first two points under
> Rationale:
> In order to have a verifiable article, a topic must be notable enough
> that it will be described by multiple independent sources.
> In order to have a neutral article with minimal errors, a topic must
> be notable enough that there will be non-partisan editors interested
> in editing it.
>
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