[WikiEN-l] [[WP:V]] and [[WP:RS]] are destroying Wikipedia

[Gordon Joly]

At 18:18 +0100 17/9/06, Stephen Streater wrote:
>On 17 Sep 2006, at 17:20, Phil Sandifer wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>  On Sep 17, 2006, at 2:14 AM, David Mestel wrote:
>>
>>>  On 17/09/06, Phil Sandifer <Snowspinner at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>  In essence, we have written a set of policies that fail to reflect
>>>>  how we do work, should work, or could possibly work. And, due to the
>>>>  frighteningly large number of contributors who, given a piece of bad
>>>>  policy, will follow it rigidly without thinking about it, this is a
>>>>  solidly dangerous thing. (Something to remember: IAR is our most
>>>>  ignored rule.)
>>>
>>>  I have to disagree with you on the IAR point - I just clicked on the
>>>  "random article" button five times, and not one of the resulting
>>>  articles had a single source.  I think that our problem may be that,
>>>  because we place such a great demand on our sources, people don't
>>>  bother to source articles at all.  Perhaps we need to demand less in
>>>  order to achieve more...
>>
>>  It should be noted what IAR means, though. The heart of IAR is that
>>  the rules are not and cannot be a substitute for actually thinking.
>>  Carelessly leaving out sources is not following IAR. Citing J.
>>  Michael Straczynski's web posts in a Babylon 5 article because you
>>  know they're reliable no matter what [[WP:RS]] says is following IAR.
>>
>>  Put another way, following policy for policy's sake violates IAR.
>
>There's an interesting parallel to IAR in the New Testament.
>Jesus complains that they are just parroting prayers without
>really thinking about what they mean, and says they should
>make up a relevant prayer each time. They ask him for an
>example of what such a prayer would be like.
>
>He gives them the Lord's prayer.
>



Exactly when was this story written down?

And by whom?

Gordo

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