[WikiEN-l] Unblock request - waiting for unblock

Sun May 28 18:36:26 UTC 2006

   Hi Jesse,
   So, will someone unblock me form editing?
   Thank you,
   Ceyda ([[User:Light&Truth]])

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>Message: 2
>Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 22:30:02 -0500
>From: "Ceyda Lacin" <ceyda-lacin at hotmail.com>
>Subject: [WikiEN-l] Unblock request - Deal!
>To: wikien-l at Wikipedia.org
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>    I would agree on that. It is OK with me to wait a few more months while
>editing on other articles and gain more experience. Please note that, none
>of my edits were out of acceptable limits. I took all my edits serious on
>Gulen talk page too, as you can easily see from quality of my edits. I
>believe this Wikipedia project can be improved further and I am ready and
>willing to offer my help.
>    On the other hand, I canot accept your statements which imply that I am
>editing barely to support someone else. With my whole respect, that is not 
>a
>kind and good statement. I am not a blind follower of someone and Dr.
>Gulerdem who is an adorable person, a gentleman with an unbelievably good
>mind did not asked me to back up him on that dispute. It is not something 
>he
>can do, and it is not something I could agree on. He mainly introduced the
>project to me, in particular pointed out the Gulen article. I thought I can
>do something about it myself. I do not know why those people feel animosity
>towards Dr. Gulerdem (other than some ideological or religious hatred) but 
>I
>think one should consider it as a chance for Wikipedia, if he still wants 
>to
>continue on editing.
>    Thank you for your recommendation and understanding.
>    Ceyda Lacin
>
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>
>Message: 5
>Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 14:28:39 -0700
>From: Jesse W <jessw at netwood.net>
>Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Unblock request - We are not a group acting
>	like one	person
>To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l at Wikipedia.org>
>Message-ID: <adb306998433c836aadd1f27e0416e1a at netwood.net>
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>On May 27, 2006, at 1:34 PM, Ceyda Lacin wrote:
> >  Please note that my contributions to the Gulen article is no more
> > than my contributions to other articles.
>According to the contributions of Light&Truth
>(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Light%26Truth ):
>The account made 11 edits to Fethullah G?len (or the talk page).  7
>more edits to user_talk and Wikipedia pages related to the controversy
>on the Fethullah G?len page and/or the account's relationship to
>Rgulerdem. A few edits to the user page; and a total of 8 edits to any
>other page.  Of those 8 edits:
>http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?
>title=Speech_act&diff=prev&oldid=47905348 was changing quote marks;
>http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?
>title=Amoeba&diff=prev&oldid=47906593 was a good, useful addition
>(which I appreciate),
>http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:
>Myosin&diff=prev&oldid=47908396 and
>http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:
>Integrin&diff=prev&oldid=47908564 were apparently useful suggestions;
>http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?
>title=Ezra_Crack&diff=prev&oldid=54071880 was changing quote marks;
>http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?
>title=Papiamento&diff=prev&oldid=54072104 was apparently changing a
>space, or at least, nothing shows up on the diff;
>http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?
>title=History&diff=prev&oldid=54073468 was an apparently useful
>clarification of the def;
>http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?
>title=Cuiheng&diff=prev&oldid=54075558 was a small, but useful
>rephrasing.
>
>Looking this over, it seems clear that the account was started on
>Wikipedia to participate in the Fethullah G?len controversy (as over
>50% of the edits are on that subject), but that the account holder is
>apparently honestly willing and interested in contributing to Wikipedia
>in other areas.  Bringing new users to Wikipedia in order to sway the
>outcome of a controversy is justly frowned upon, however, on this
>evidence alone, I would recommend an unblock if, and only if, the
>account holder agrees to avoid the Fethullah G?len controversy for a
>period of time (at least a few months, and maybe a year).
>
>Jesse Weinstein
>
>
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>Message: 4
>Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 15:34:57 -0500
>From: "Ceyda Lacin" <ceyda-lacin at hotmail.com>
>Subject: [WikiEN-l] Unblock request - We are not a group acting like
>	one	person
>To: wikien-l at Wikipedia.org
>Message-ID: <BAY122-F6FFC06F3F742306E32F0DF19F0 at phx.gbl>
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>
>    Did you mean Users Azate and Netscott should be blocked because they 
>are
>acting like a single person? Maybe sysop Cyde too? Please note that my
>contributions to the Gulen article is no more than my contributions to 
>other
>articles. To interpret us like 'a group acing together' will mislead you in
>your decision. We both know some abuout the issue and wanted to contribute
>to the article. You will see that it is not a blind support to Mr. Gulerdem
>if you check the talk page. All actions and edits are within the limits of
>Wikipedia rules. Please check Gulen talk page.
>    Thank you,
>    Ceyda Lacin
>
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> >
> >Message: 3
> >Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 07:49:11 -0600
> >From: Fred Bauder <fredbaud at ctelco.net>
> >Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Unblock request - Further explanations of the
> >	case
> >To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l at Wikipedia.org>
> >Cc: Fred Bauder <fredbaud at ctelco.net>
> >Message-ID: <00A1A72E-6418-49B0-A620-888CCCF01D7A at ctelco.net>
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> >A small group of people who act like one person may be treated as one
> >person.
> >
> >Fred
> >
> >On May 27, 2006, at 7:02 AM, Ceyda Lacin wrote:
> >
> > > I will try to explain as briefly as possible:
> > >
> > > Please check the following links to see the case clearly:
> > > * [[Wikipedia:Wikiethics]]
> > > * [[Fethullah Gulen]]
> > > * [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_CheckUser/
> > > Rgulerdem]
> > >
> > > Mr. Gulerdem informed me about Wikipedia. I liked it. He has solid
> > > background about [[Fethullah Gulen]] movement (besides many others I
> > > have to say). He told us about the article and the difficulties he
> > > has been facing to in that article. I am not an expert on the issue
> > > but I knew the movement through him and I have read quite a few
> > > books about Mr. Gulen and the movement. I decided to contribute to
> > > the article, so did my friend Hakan ([[User:Mokotok]]). I also tried
> > > to make some corrections and modifications on some other articles.
> > >
> > > Dr. Gulerdem mentioned about some structural problems he realized on
> > > Wikipedia and his trial for a proposal [[Wikipedia:Wikiethics]]. We
> > > quickly saw that there are (at least two [[User:Netscott]] and
> > > [[User:Azate]]) users sound like they have strong emotional tensity
> > > towards Mr. Gulerdem. As far as I understood a few people 'without
> > > much ethical concerns' or more kindly with some ideological or
> > > cultural (you can say religious if you like to) hatred against him,
> > > together pushed him into some trouble. He faced to an unjustified
> > > indefinite block by sysop [[User: Cyde]] with the pretext of 'user
> > > does not get it' while he was blocked already. All these discussions
> > > took place around the proposal [[Wikipedia:Wikiethics]] which seems
> > > to be a brilliant idea to me. Since the same sysop blocked him again
> > > indefinitely right after a check user case is filled, I have no
> > > doubt in mind that there are some clear structural problems in
> > > Wikipedia. (You can see the evidence of all these on
> > > [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_CheckUser/
> > > Rgulerdem]).
> > > He did not even waited for the decision from the check user. Because
> > > Mr. Gulerdem was unblocked first time form indefinite block under
> > > some conditions, I think [[User:Netscott]] and [[User:Azate]] tried
> > > really hard to push him into the same violations so that they can
> > > ask for reinstatement of the indefinite block
> > > ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_CheckUser/
> > > Rgulerdem]).
> > > That is the main picture in my mind.
> > >
> > > Because Dr. Gulerdem was careful this time and we were helping him
> > > to naturalize the article the last chance on their part was filing a
> > > check user case to claim that he is using sockpuppets to reinstate
> > > his indefinite block. They played it professionally and got what
> > > they want. Although we did not violate Wikipedia rules, it is
> > > strange that we all blocked for being suckpuppets which is in fact
> > > not a violation except under some certain situations which are not
> > > applicable to our case.
> > >
> > > What are these guys doing on that Gulen article:
> > >
> > > [[User:Azate]]'s edits are explained by Dr. Gulerdem at
> > > ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_CheckUser/
> > > Rgulerdem#Response]).
> > > A check user request is filed about [[User:Azate]] and his earlier
> > > accounts and IP's. He claim otherwise but it seems to be that he has
> > > been editing on that article for a long time. The request was also
> > > asking about any possible relation between these two users but it
> > > was not investigated properly. Could you please do a favor to me and
> > > quickly check these users. I believe I have the right to learn that
> > > and it will be helpful to determine what is really happening.
> > > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:RFCU#User:_Azate). Please see my
> > > critics about [[User:Azate]]'s edits at
> > > ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Fethullah_G%C3%BClen/
> > > Archive_2#Azate.27s_vandalism_and_violation_of_WP:OWN]).
> > > Other sections of this talk page might give you a better idea about
> > > who is doing what on that article.
> > >
> > > [[User:Netscott]] is making nonsense edits
> > > ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fethullah_G%C3%
> > > BClen&diff=next&oldid=53457962])
> > > over exaggerating and agitating with a hope of possible violation on
> > > the part of Mr. Gulerdem. He is highlighting a link which is
> > > irrelevant to the article. Although he has no any significant
> > > contribution to the article other than agitation, he is very active
> > > in tag'ing the article with NOPV. Please not that they never
> > > provided a reason
> > > to tag the article with NPOV; that is illogical and not acceptable.
> > > I should also add that
> > > [[User:Azate]] was 'tag'ing the article while he was revising the
> > > article from head to toe as can easily be seen from the history of
> > > the main article. I hope this gives some insight
> > > about [[User:Netscott]]'s and [[User:Azatte]]'s motivations (The
> > > links are provided at
> > > [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_CheckUser/
> > > Rgulerdem#Response]
> > > you can also look at the history of the Gulen's talk page to see the
> > > quality of Netscott's edits). I cannot see how he could escape from
> > > a block
> > > that is applied to two others in the same conflict
> > > [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:AN3#User:Netscott] (It should not
> > > be surprising to see the support of the same sysop at this link). I
> > > have an impression that [[User:Netscott]] is mainly contributing
> > > Islam related articles and I have to say that he likes to look at
> > > the issues from a negative perspective which cause some problems
> > > with other editors. One can check this and see many examples of it
> > > from his talk page.
> > >
> > > Where am I in this picture? I and Hakan found ourselves in the
> > > middle of this mess, ideological hatred towards an editor (who we
> > > know personally) and 'push him to an indefinite block' game. A check
> > > user case is filled for us with the accusation of sockpoppetry, and
> > > the decision was incorrect. If you please check the accusations,
> > > there is no a single serious statements made among those
> > > accusations. In spite of this, they are already answered by Hakan
> > > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_CheckUser/
> > > Rgulerdem#Comments_Light.26Truth_and_Mokotok)
> > > and Dr. Gulerdem
> > > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_CheckUser/
> > > Rgulerdem#Response).
> > >
> > > Needless to say that I can survive without Wikipedia. I can also
> > > change my name to edit further with a different name if I need and
> > > want to. But on the other hand this baseless and inappropriate
> > > accusation bothers me a great deal and principals always matter.
> > >
> > > Thanks for your careful analysis of the dispute and attempt for a
> > > just solution to the matter. If you need further explanations (I
> > > doubt it!) I will try to give you more insight about the problem.
> > >
> > > Ceyda Lacin
> > >
> > >
> > >> ------------------------------
> > >>
> > >> Message: 6
> > >> Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 12:58:03 -0600
> > >> From: Fred Bauder <fredbaud at ctelco.net>
> > >> Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Unblock Request - nothing more to similar
> > >> IP's
> > >> To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l at Wikipedia.org>
> > >> Cc: Fred Bauder <fredbaud at ctelco.net>
> > >> Message-ID: <BB929BAC-CEFD-4EEA-A187-59769FB52E77 at ctelco.net>
> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
> > >>
> > >> Anyone who is not very disruptive is welcome to edit Wikipedia.
> > >> Perhaps you could explain more about this matter to us. I may be the
> > >> very sysop who unblocks you, but claiming you did not have three
> > >> accounts will not wash.
> > >>
> > >> Fred
> > >>
> > >> On May 26, 2006, at 12:47 PM, Ceyda Lacin wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> >    No there is nothing more to that. I am afraid you are not
> > >> > looking at the
> > >> > case clearly. The accusations mentioned on the check user page
> > >> are not
> > >> > legitimate and not serious. All are answered on that page. I am
> > >> > expecting a
> > >> > sysop unblock me from editing sooner than later.
> > >> >    Thank you.
> > >> >    Ceyda.
> > >> >
> > >> > Message: 9
> > >> > Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 11:06:00 -0600
> > >> > From: Fred Bauder <fredbaud at ctelco.net>
> > >> > Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Unblock request
> > >> > To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l at Wikipedia.org>
> > >> > Cc: Fred Bauder <fredbaud at ctelco.net>
> > >> > Message-ID: <1629A058-13A7-4B46-A829-B9C3B9414DFA at ctelco.net>
> > >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
> > >> >
> > >> > There is more to it than that.
> > >> >
> > >> > Fred
> > >> >
> > >> > On May 26, 2006, at 9:51 AM, Raphael Wegmann wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >> Hi,
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I wonder how you can say, they are the same user,
> > >> >> when all you can check is that they are using the
> > >> >> same IP-address.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> best regards
> > >> >> --
> > >> >> Raphael
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Fred Bauder wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>> These check out as being the same user. Essjay also checked
> > >> this. I
> > >> >>> doublechecked.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Fred
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> On May 26, 2006, at 4:32 AM, Ceyda Lacin wrote:
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>>    Hi,
> > >> >>>>    I am fairly new user to Wikipedia with username
> > >> >>>> [[User:Light&Truth]]. Dr.
> > >> >>>> Gulerdem (with username [[User:Rgulerdem]]) informed me and my
> > >> >>>> friend know
> > >> >>>> about Wikipedia. We liked the philosophy behind the project.
> > >> >>>> Unfortunately
> > >> >>>> at a very early stage of our experience in Wikipedia, we face
> > >> to an
> > >> >>>> inappropriate accusation. Someone claimed that we (me and my
> > >> >>>> partner
> > >> >>>> [[User:Mokotok]]) are different names for Rgulerdem. It is not
> > >> >>>> true. I tried
> > >> >>>> to explain it on the check user page:
> > >> >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_CheckUser/
> > >> >>>> Rgulerdem.
> > >> >>>>    I think the problem is coming from the fact that we are all
> > >> >>>> living at the
> > >> >>>> same university housing complex and using the same IP's
> > >> randomly. I
> > >> >>>> understand that check user made his decision based on that.
> > >> >>>>    I would like to continue to contribute to Wikipedia as
> > >> much as I
> > >> >>>> can. I
> > >> >>>> would like to someone please correct this mistake because we are
> > >> >>>> not the
> > >> >>>> same person and this unfair accusation bothers me a great deal.
> > >> >>>>    Thank you in advance.
> > >> >>>>    Ceyda ([[Light&Truth]])
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>>
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