[WikiEN-l] Creation of user photographs

Peter Mackay peter.mackay at bigpond.com
Sun May 21 20:50:36 UTC 2006

> From: wikien-l-bounces at Wikipedia.org 
> [mailto:wikien-l-bounces at Wikipedia.org] On Behalf Of Anthony DiPierro
> Sent: Monday, 22 May 2006 6:00 AM
> To: English Wikipedia
> Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Creation of user photographs
> On 5/21/06, Peter Mackay <peter.mackay at bigpond.com> wrote:
> > > From: wikien-l-bounces at Wikipedia.org 
> > > [mailto:wikien-l-bounces at Wikipedia.org] On Behalf Of Anthony 
> > > DiPierro
> >
> > > On 5/21/06, Peter Mackay <peter.mackay at bigpond.com> wrote:
> > > > I refer to
> > > [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:PICT4101.JPG] which was
> > > > clearly not taken by the subject, nor by using a tripod 
> or other 
> > > > support such as a wall.
> > > >
> > > Maybe he paid $1 to some homeless guy walking the street, and so 
> > > it's a work for hire.
> >
> > We shouldn't have to guess about photographs on WP.
> No, we shouldn't, but we also should assume good faith.

See below.
> > In any case, the license
> > used to upload the picture indicates that the subject is 
> the creator, 
> > and to my mind if the actual photographer is someone other than the 
> > subject, then the subject is NOT the creator of the image.
> >
> I'd say the template should be changed, then.  I was going to 
> say it should be changed to "I, the copyright holder...", but 
> if it's public domain then the person no longer is a 
> copyright holder.  If you've got a suggestion how to better 
> phrase the template so that it encompasses the situation of a 
> work made for hire, let us know.

Is it made for hire? That's a guess. 

As for templates, I don't know. I think that the sutuation is common enough
that it needs clarifying.

> > > Anyway, you'd be better off asking him first, maybe he'll fix it.
> >
> > There are two reasons why I won't ask him. The first is 
> that I can't.
> >
> I just checked, and he does have his email turned on.  But 
> maybe you're banned from that too.  Anyway, is the second 
> reason that you don't really care, and are just trying to 
> make trouble?

No. It's because I wouldn't get a straight answer. What is it you were
saying about AGF?

The reason I picked that image is because I happened to be on that user's
page, and I wondered about how people handled uploading photographs where
they are the subject but not the creator. Looking around further, it looks
like it is handled in a variety of ways, and Jimbo has made sure that he is
setting a good example.


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