[WikiEN-l] jaygy and indefinate ban

abu hamza abuhamza1970 at hotmail.com
Sun May 21 20:42:24 UTC 2006

well jaygy, i haven't seen anything from you , to justify a ban at all.
If i recall you stated i was to be banned indefinately because

a) copy right violations.
You have still as yet to produce any evidence for this. If you can't that 
means you deliberately lied in order to justify blocking me

b) attacks on talke pages.
Again you have failed to produce any evidence to justify a permanent block 
based on this.

c) no useful edits.
this is highly subjective

d) 3RR games.
24 hour ban, at best

It seems that not only were you prepared to make false charges against me to 
have me banned indefinately on my first ever ban. But you are now hassling 
the other administrators who have questioned your indefinate ban.

If you cannot give any evidence , based on that which you banned me , you 
should swallow your pride, accept the Wikipedia polices and guidelines and 
brush aside this clear mistake in your actions.
Wikipedia is not a fiefdom.

Remember that all of this is logged on wikipedia, and it really doesn't come 
across good at all.

>From: jayjg <jayjg99 at gmail.com>
>Reply-To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l at Wikipedia.org>
>To: "English Wikipedia" <wikien-l at wikipedia.org>
>Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Unblock request
>Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 15:01:57 -0400
>On 5/21/06, Oskar Sigvardsson <oskarsigvardsson at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 5/21/06, jayjg <jayjg99 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > "Wheel war" is not an epithet, it is a description of an activity.
> > > When you undo an admins actions without first discussing it with him,
> > > or getting broad consensus for doing so, you are wheel warring.  That,
> > > in fact, is what happened here.  And since *everyone* is agreed that
> > > Saladin1970 deserved *at least* a 1 week block, any discussion
> > > regarding the appropriateness of an indefinite block could have taken
> > > place during that week.  There was no pressing need to immediately
> > > undo the block and impose a different one.  Wheel warring is bad.
> > >
> > > Jay.
> >
> > He pretty much had consensus here on the list though. There were what,
> > three of four admins that thought that an indefinite block was way
> > over the top.
>Were there? I didn't see that.  I saw quite a few who thought an
>indefinite block was quite reasonable.
> > And he didn't do anything totally unreasonable,
>Yes he did, he reverted another admin's actions.
> > it's
> > still a one week block, plenty of time for you to explain your reasons
> > to the rest of us.
>No, plenty of time for him to try to get consensus for reducing the
>block.  I haven't seen that consensus yet.
> > Can we please stop screaming "Wheel warrior!" to anyone who does
> > anything slightly resembling a wheel war, but is in actuality, pretty
> > reasonable.
>No-one screamed, but calling it wheel-warring (which is what it is)
>highlights how inappropriate it is.  I want people to think 3 and 4
>and 5 times before undoing another admin's action.  And then think it
>over another 5 times.  And then get consensus.
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