[WikiEN-l] We need a policy against vote-stacking

Molu loom91 at yahoo.com
Tue May 9 06:25:17 UTC 2006

You put it very well. The matter is demonstrated best by the question of notability. I believe all professors can have their articles, in an AfD debate many will disagree with me. Consensus doesn't exist. What is the closing admin supposed to do? If he is to apply his personal opinion regarding the debate then I most certainly disagree. We will be better off with voting than giving admins more power.
  This system of weighing arguments collapses when there is no argument to weigh. Either I think he is notable or I think he is not notable, neither viewpoint can be established with logic, only numbers. There's a reason that voting is so prevalent in modern democratic societies, it's because better alternatives are very hard to come by.

  On Mon, 8 May 2006 16:31:37 -0400, "Kirill Lokshin" wrote:

>On 5/8/06, Philip Sandifer wrote:
>> I point out that we don't need voting for AfD, which is why we
>> changed it away from VfD, and that the proper way to close an AfD is
>> to look at the arguments and how they adhere to Wikipedia policy...

>And here we come to the key problem with the entire model: there
>_isn't_ an objective policy to deal with these things. (Certainly
>there are some policies, like verifiability, that can be used; but the
>lack of consensus for a more comprehensive "notability" policy is the
>issue.) Once you strip away all the arguments about "notability" and
>the sea of guidelines and pseudo-guidelines and random acronyms, you
>get something like:

>* Delete, subject is not appropriate for an encyclopedia.
>* Keep, subject _is_ appropriate for an encyclopedia.

>which is about as subjective a standard as you can get. We can
>certainly appoint someone to judge the relative arguments and decree
>an outcome, but the question is fundamentally one of differing
>perceptions of what Wikipedia should strive to be, not one of simply
>applying existing policy.

>Kirill Lokshin
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