[WikiEN-l] Notability and juggling

[MacGyverMagic/Mgm]

I would drop them all into an article on juggling tricks/juggling
moves. Perhaps a seperate one for cascades. Without reading them, I
think the articles on most moves are too small to warrant their own
article. Drop them together in a larger article and redirect the
existing names to the new article/list.

Mgm

On 3/24/06, Steve Bennett <stevage at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>  I really, really struggle with the idea of "notability" and
> attempting to work out how much information is "tolerated" in
> Wikipedia before people start nominating it for deletion with various
> words ending in "-cruft".
>
> So, a concrete example. I would be tempted to add more information on
> juggling tricks into Wikipedia. There is already an excellent juggling
> wiki (http://www.jugglingdb.com/jugglewiki/), but this poses no
> obstacle: our mythical African Wikipedia reader may not have access to
> the net.
>
> So, it is almost unarguable that [[cascade (juggling)]] has no place
> in WP. This is the most basic juggling pattern, and a term that many
> are likely to know.
>
> Next down the notability scale, we have [[reverse cascade]], [[shower
> (juggling)]] and [[fountain (juggling)]]. Basic patterns that deserve
> to be documented.
>
> Now, how about [[machine (juggling)]], [[Mills Mess]] and
> [[Rubinstein's Revenge]]? These are more advanced tricks that a
> non-juggler is unlikely to know. He may recognise the first two, but
> probably not the third.
>
> Continuing, [[crossed-arms cascade]], [[contortionist (juggling)]] and
> [[penguin (juggling)]] would represent even less well-known moves,
> that are however known to almost all jugglers.
>
> Even more obscure, how about [[Luke's Lobotomy]], [[Time-reversed
> Mills Mess]] or [[Manham's Mangle]]? These are unknown to anyone
> except serious jugglers, and very unlikely to be seen in a performance
> for a general audience.
>
> And to take one final leap, how about [[Seven Ball Marden's Mayem]],
> [[Turbo Wally Walk]], [[Mountain Tennis]] or even [[Hermine
> (juggling)]]? I haven't heard of any of these, I found them on
> jugglewiki. The last one has possibly never been attempted by anyone
> other than its inventor, yet is documented thoroughly with video
> footage.
>
> So, my question is: where should the line be drawn on inclusion into
> "the sum of all human knowledge", and on what basis? Also, is that
> basis really documented anywhere, or does it all come down to the
> caprices of the editors who one day decide that these tricks aren't
> "notable", and that this jugglecruft (I swear this word will be used)
> has to die?
>
> Thanks all for any comments, advice etc.
>
> Steve
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