[WikiEN-l] Categories for deletion/discussion issues

SPUI drspui at gmail.com
Thu Jul 20 21:29:44 UTC 2006


This is related to 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Limited-access_roads . Necessary 
background is that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limited-access_road is 
an ambiguous term: "It can mean anything from a city street to which the 
maintaining authority limits driveway access to a freeway (or other 
equivalent terms)."

The category was originally created at "Freeways" and listed for 
renaming to "Freeways and motorways":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_March_30#Category:Freeways_to_Category:Freeways_and_motorways
This discussion has little input, and ends up renaming it to 
"Limited-access roads" (though there doesn't seem to be definite 
consensus for that, going back and reading it). No one mentions there 
that "limited-access road" is ambiguous.

I come across the category a while after and realize that it was renamed 
and that that renaming was a mistake. I list it for renaming back to 
"Freeways" and clearly explain why other options won't work:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_July_1#Category:Limited-access_roads_to_Category:Freeways
Most people end up supporting "Freeways and motorways"; very few support 
keeping "Limited-access roads". Yet it is closed as no consensus by one 
of those editors.

I take it to DRV:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2006_July_10&oldid=64186179
It is relisted, mainly because of who it was closed by. So it goes on 
for another week:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_July_11#Category:Limited-access_roads_to_Category:Freeways
A few more people comment. Again there is rough consensus to rename to 
"Freeways and motorways", and again it is closed as no consensus. I take 
it to DRV again, where the closer admits he counted votes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2006_July_20#Category:Limited-access_roads_to_Category:Freeways_or_Category:Freeways_and_motorways

So even though almost no one now supports the name "Limited-access 
roads", including several who also commented in the original CFD, it is 
kept there because of a vote-counter. I fail to see why we have chosen 
to operate this way - there is certainly not consensus to keep it there. 
If I choose to ignore all rules I will probably be banned for violating 
my probation against "provocative edits". But the current name does not 
correctly describe the purpose of the category.



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