[WikiEN-l] CSD T1, and application to userspace templates

[John Lee]

geni wrote:

>On 2/20/06, John Lee <johnleemk at gawab.com> wrote:
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>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Userbox_debates#User:Cjmarsicano.2FUDUIW
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>>This template which I speedied under CSD T1 and pure common sense is now
>>on DRV because some process wonks are pointing out T1 doesn't apply
>>outside template-space. (Which is, if you think about, blatant
>>wikilawyering, since now anyone can just create the most offensive,
>>polemical and divisive template ever in userspace and have all his
>>buddies transclude it on their userpages.) I mentioned I had speedied
>>the userbox on the Admins' noticeboard, and two other admins expressed
>>agreement:
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#User:Cjmarsicano.2FUDUIW_deleted
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>Wikipedia:Deletion_review could undelete it wherever it is.
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Of course, but within reason. That's like saying DRV could undelete a 
copyvio -- Jimbo wouldn't like either action.

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>>Maybe Jimbo should clarify how literally he wants T1 interpreted and
>>whether userboxen in userspace are subject to this sort of thing.
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>>John
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>We could but I doubt he could come up with an answer that is short
>enough to fit on CSD and impossible to rule lawyer around.
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Judges clarify and interprete law -- they don't amend it. Jimbo just has 
to say "By 'template' I mean anything created for the purpose of being 
transcluded", or something to that effect. Typically this isn't 
necessary because of IAR and all that crap, but this userboxen debate 
will need Jimbo to step in eventually. His occasional pronouncements 
aren't working, and T1 isn't working well either.

I don't really care for political/ideological userboxen -- whether those 
go or stay, I don't care. They /can/ be used for factionalism, but they 
aren't necessarily so. But userboxen like the one currently on DRV that 
exist *only* to promote factionalism definitely ought to go. Given the 
choice between a T1 applicable only to stuff in the template namespace, 
and a T1 applicable to anything transcluded but only applicable to 
factionalist userboxen, I'd pick the latter.

John