[WikiEN-l] Jimbo and his strategy

geni geniice at gmail.com
Mon Feb 20 20:34:44 UTC 2006

On 2/20/06, Jimmy Wales <jwales at wikia.com> wrote:
> I want people to ask slowly and thoughtfully with deep respect for
> others, even others with whom they disagree.  As far as I can tell,
> there is a strong consensus that having various sorts of advocacy
> userboxes is problematic, especially when they are promoted in the
> Wikipedia namespace as if they are a normal and proper part of Wikipedia
> culture.

No there isn't. More correctly no one seems to be sure how to define
advocacy exactly so any possible consensus would be a moot point

> I think it is somewhat problematic to have users pasting bits of cruft
> on their userpage which make them seem to be engaged in Wikipedia as
> activists for a particular POV.  I think users should realize that
> having that sort of cruft on their userpage will quite rightly diminish
> other people's respect for you and your work.  But, whatever, if people
> want to do it, I see no reason to get absolutely draconian about it.

It someone admits a POV it makes it much harder for them to push that
POV. I fail to see a problem with this

> However.
> The current situation with these things being in the main Template
> namespace, and promoted as if healthy and normal in the Wikipedia
> namespace, is that they are damaging to our culture.  They are
> attracting the wrong sort of people, and giving newcomers the wrong idea
> of what it means to be a Wikipedian.

I haven't really seen it. Most of the problem users I've run into
lately are the same type I was running into over a year ago. Most new
users settle down and edit quietly away. There will always be a few
who cause problems.

> That's why they need to go.  Not to censor people's self-expression, but
> to make it clear that _as a whole_ the community considers these things
> to be divisive and inappropriate.

The community doesn't. Bits of it do but at the last count bits of the
community considered the following to be divisive and inappropriate:

Deleting user boxes
[[Brian Peppers]]
[[Image:Jyllands-Posten Muhammad drawings.jpg]]

I think getting rid of that lot would be a mistake

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