[WikiEN-l] More AfD toxicity

Gareth Hughes garzohugo at gmail.com
Fri Feb 10 16:23:32 UTC 2006

I sympathize, but, in the end, we can only judge articles by what they
are now and what's in their history. We can hazzard a guess that an
article is going to improve rapidly into an encyclopaedic golden
apple, but the chance of that happening seems less likely when the
article is called [[cart00ney]] (with two zeros). I'm not saying that
we can't have good articles with names like this, but, on average,
this stuff isn't. If I had Savidan's watchlist, I might have done the

And the moral of the story is: don't press that 'Save page' button
until your article looks like it's going somewhere good.

Alternative solution: create a 'Gone for coffee, back in 10' template.
Unfortunate side-effect of such an alternative: out of the AFD into
the TFD!

Gareth Hughes.

On 10/02/06, Sean Barrett <sean at epoptic.org> wrote:
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> This morning I began the process of writing [[cart00ney]] (with two
> zeros).  I saved my work when I got up to refill my coffee, and when I
> returned, [[User:Savidan]] had nominated my incomplete stub for deletion
> with the cryptic reason "apparent nn selfref neologism."  The article
> had existed for a grand total of nine (9) minutes.  Savidan made no
> attempt to contact me, and made no effort to discuss the obviously
> in-progress article on its talk page.
> Perhaps the full article would still be an "apparent nn selfref
> neologism," whatever that is.  Perhaps the full article would deserve to
> be obliterated with all the contempt that the AfD regulars regularly
> heap on articles they don't understand or simply dislike.  Perhaps it
> would belong in Wikipedia.  You'll never know now.  Nine (9) minutes
> after it was begun, Savidan eagerly began the process of destroying it
> before its creation had completed.
> I don't really think we needed further demonstrations of the
> disgustingly toxic assumptions of bad faith that are inextricably
> integral to the entire AfD process, but I will take this opportunity to
> thank Savidan for yet another demonstration of how despicable it is.
> - --
>  Sean Barrett     | Careful. We don't want to
>  sean at epoptic.org | learn from this. --Calvin
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