[WikiEN-l] Indefinite block and desysopping by User:Danny

[Fred Bauder]

Kelly Martin is not in "our central leadership" (that would be Jimbo,  
Angela, Anthere, Daniel Mayer, and a few others) and has no future as  
a diplomat. Kelly is correct about our difficulties with establishing  
that wheel warring is absolutely unacceptable. I have have had a few  
invitations to wheel warring when someone felt they could simply  
revert what I had done, but so far I haven't gotten in a real mess by  
taking the bait. It is just not good practice to reverse another  
administrator's actions. That needs to be part of our culture, not  
some wishy-washy notion that it is OK to wheel war when the other  
administrator is "wrong". If they are wrong, especially repeatedly,  
it needs to be dealt with by talking, that is negotiation, and if  
that is unsuccessful, with the remaining steps in the dispute  
resolution process.

Fred

On Apr 20, 2006, at 8:46 AM, Ilmari Karonen wrote:

> Fred Bauder wrote:
>
>>
>> Results vary when you complain, some problems are dealt with, some
>> work themselves out, some are ignored, but I have never seen a
>> vengeful or paranoid attitude from our central leadership.
>>
>
> Depends on who you count among the "central leadership", I  
> suppose.  I'm
> not trying to single her out here, but I was struct by the  
> juxtaposition
> of your comment above and a message just left by Kelly Martin (who  
> seems
> to be "in the know" on this current issue) at [[WP:1WW]:
>
> "... Eloquence deciding that he's entitled to unilaterally reverse
> without discussion a protection imposed by Danny, one of most trusted
> administrators. That was wheel warring. He deserves to be desysoped  
> (and
> was desysoped, although that punishment, while originally imposed by
> Jimbo, was subsequently reversed by Jimbo for reasons that frankly  
> make
> no sense to me) for that."
>
> So, let's see:
>
> * That nice hot-button word "unilaterally".  It wasn't more than a few
> months ago when the unwashed hordes were screaming it at Kelly  
> herself.
>
> * Desysoping (and prosumably blocking) are apparently now punitive,  
> not
> preventative.
>
> * "I am sure Erik will not do anything bad" frankly makes no sense  
> to her.
>
> I'm sorry to say this, but, all in all, that comment sounds pretty
> nasty.  Maybe not "vengeful or paranoid", but certainly very stressed
> out and high-handed, with a good amount of zero tolerance and "assume
> bad faith" thrown in.  Maybe I'm reading too much into this paragraph,
> but it sure sounds as if someone is in urgent need of a vacation here.
>
> Mind you, when the smoke clears, I'd really like to know what  
> caused all
> this panic at the office in the first place -- did someone hold  
> Jimbo at
> gunpoint while demanding that the articles be removed, or what?
>
> Just another admin without all the pieces of the puzzle,
> -- 
> Ilmari Karonen
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