[WikiEN-l] Tower of Babel - Voting to ignore MoS, NCs for language reasons.
Alphax (Wikipedia email)
alphasigmax at gmail.com
Mon Nov 14 01:16:08 UTC 2005
Tom Cadden wrote:
> --- Ray Saintonge <saintonge at telus.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Unlike many
>>other French-speaking
>>countries the official name for English purposes is
>>the French one. See
>>the member list for the United Nations at
>>http://www.un.org/Overview/unmember.html This does
>>not mean that other
>>French speaking countries follow the same practice.
>>The Central African
>>Republic does not appear as République
>>Centraficaine.
>
> That is irrelevant. The official name of the Republic
> of Ireland is Poblacht na hÉireann. We do not use it.
> Nor do we use the official name in French of the
> French Republic. We do have have the article on
> Germany at the Federal Republic of Germany, let alone
> the German language version of the name.
>
> WP does not use official names are article titles.
> With countries it uses common names, and puts the
> official name at the top of the article's infobox.
>
My understanding was that the Official Name in English, /as requested by
the Government of Côte d'Ivoire/, was Côte d'Ivoire. Not "Ivory Coast".
They changed their name to Côte d'Ivoire. End discussion. That's their
name. Use it. Redirects are cheap.
>>Maybe the US State Department is just following the
>>UN lead on this.
>>The proportion of newspapers and websites using the
>>English name is
>>irrelevant. The position of official Ivoirian sites
>>is more influential.
>
>
> The position of Ivoirian sites is irrelevant. This is
> not an Ivoirian encyclopædia but an English language
> one that does not write its articles to suit
> governments and official sites.
>
Are you suggesting we should get rid of diacritical marks in article
names when the devs struggled so hard to make them work in the first place?
>>>Even then the majority was queuing up to insist the
>>>French name be kept, no matter what. But a closer
>>
>>look
>>
>>>showed that a large number of those voting to keep
>>
>>the
>>
>>>French name were French speakers!
>>>
>>
>>This is a racist slur for which you owe everyone an
>>apology.
>
>
> Absolutely not. It is a fact that an article is being
> kept in a location against the explicit rules in the
> MoS but a vote of users of one particular language,
> many of whom seem intent on putting their defence of
> that language above Wikipedia's own rules.
>
I don't speak French. I voted for the "French" name. What does this say
about your logical phallacy?
>
>>>What is WP policy when language is used to a block
>>>vote to force the MoS and NC to be ignored in an
>>>article's name?
>>>
>>
>>Please avoid the use of abbreviations. They only
>>make your comments
>>more difficult to read.
>
>
> People on WP regularly use MoS for Manual of Style and
> NC for Naming Conventions.
>
Go read BEANS then. Just because you /can/, doesn't mean you /should/.
>
>>Determining the official name of a country is not a
>>matter for voting.
>>It is a sure way of having facts overwhelmed by
>>ignorance.
>
> I'm surprised you don't know that WP policy IS to
> decide the location of an article by voting. It is
> done through requesting moves and voting on them. It
> is a standard procedure used throughout WP.
>
>
[[m:Voting is evil]].
--
Alphax - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Alphax
Contributor to Wikipedia, the Free Encyclopedia
"We make the internet not suck" - Jimbo Wales
Public key: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Alphax/OpenPGP
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: signature.asc
Type: application/pgp-signature
Size: 546 bytes
Desc: OpenPGP digital signature
Url : http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/attachments/20051114/23eb8035/attachment.pgp
More information about the WikiEN-l
mailing list