[WikiEN-l] Recent goings-on

[MacGyverMagic/Mgm]

I don't know what you expect, Björn, but a certain degree of
protection is needed for anyone who's been submitted to an arbcom
complaint. We can't just let anyone accuse someone without the arbcom
being given evidence of the violations in question.

Secondly, a lot of users go straight onto the attack of a blocking or
reverting admin while simply asking to undo their actions or asking
for an explanation would be much more helpful.

Also, you can't expect admins to be infallible all the time. I've made
some bad decisions, but I've always been open to discussion.

Still, there's enough good reasons to put admins who repeatedly fail
to discuss their controversial actions.

BTW Arbcom complaints don't need to be signed by someone else, that RFCs.

--Mgm

On 6/1/05, BJörn Lindqvist <bjourne at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >There are a number of administrators who are failing in that
> > >responsibility, and they are present on this list.
> >
> > Name them.  Take them to ArbCom.
> 
> Total Bullshit. That has been done many times by new users who was
> harassed my some overly aggressive admins. Ofcourse they never suceed
> because the rules are complex and setup to protect the administrators.
> 
> First you have to "file a complaint" which means you have to gather
> evidence and then submit that for public review to get the ArbCom to
> accept it. Then you need to get someone else to sign your complaint
> within 24 hours or else your complaint is automatically rejected and
> 20 seconds later some admin will come around and delete it so that all
> traces of whatever it was is gone. The person seconding your complaint
> obviously cannot be a user someone can suspect being a sockpuppet or a
> troll or "a known troublemaker". And most important, the other user
> must also be involved in the dispute between you and the admin in
> question.
> 
> And then, if you succeed with all that, your complaint is accepted for
> further review in the ArbCom! Woho! Then all that is left is for you
> to fight in the Wikipedia version of a trial against someone who knows
> all the rules, while you are a newbie and has lots of powerful friends
> while you only have enemies.
> 
> But what if you, like a hero in Hollywood, manages to beat the
> unbeatable, win the unwinnable and actually get the ArbCom to issue
> some kind of verdict AGAINST the admin in question? Well, then you'll
> forever be known as a troublemaker/troll and the admin will be quickly
> forgiven by his or her peers because "he/she is a good guy" and only
> made a mistake/got played by the trolls.
> 
> --
> mvh Björn
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