[WikiEN-l] Re: Weyes

Tue Jul 5 17:24:26 UTC 2005

I haven't seen the case of Yoder, but lets just sum up the Kurita77 case:

You say that Kurita77 is not Enviroknot because:

* He sweared in his e-mails, and Enviroknot didn't.
* His IP eventually didn't match (although this can easily be done by
forging the IP)

We say that he is, because:

* His IP initially matched that of Enviroknot, both on the mailing list and
on Wikipedia.
* He instantly edited on the same topics as Enviroknot.
* On these topics he edited on, he shared an opinion with Enviroknot, which
was a minority opinion anyway.

I don't know about you, but are points cancel out yours ten times over. I'm
out of this case now, but I think that the case is solved anyway.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "A. Nony Mouse" <temoforcomments4 at hotmail.com>
To: <wikien-l at Wikipedia.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 6:13 PM
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Re: Weyes

> I am specifically NOT saying that *ALL* Admins are evil. However, there
ARE
> a decent number of them who are regularly abusing their authority, and who
> (on this list and on Wikipedia in general) are not being reined in but
> instead are being encouraged to continue their behavior by mutual
protectors
> who are ALSO Admins.
>
> It's quite a racket. Get in as friends with the "right" Admins / ArbCom
> members, and you're functionally insulated from any penalty for breaking
the
> rules or abusing your powers. Because no matter WHAT you do, they will
come
> riding to your rescue and defending your actions. And all you have to do
in
> return is treat the bigwigs as if their word had come directly from the
> mouth of $DIETY as divine law, and back THEM up when someone protests
> against THEIR abuses.
>
> But I'm not allowed to name names. Since I don't run the list and I'm not
> part of the clique, that's a "personal attack."
>
> I have presented my points in the case of Yoder and Kurita77. YOU seem to
be
> dead-set on IGNORING it, because you want to justify the behavior of
> clique-member Admins.
>
> A. Nony Mouse
>
> >From: "David 'DJ' Hedley" <spyders at btinternet.com>
> >Reply-To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l at Wikipedia.org>
> >To: "English Wikipedia" <wikien-l at Wikipedia.org>
> >Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Re: Weyes
> >Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 18:06:54 +0100
> >
> >If its such a problem, you don't have to edit. Infact, you don't even
have
> >to be on this mailing list, and the borderline, unjustifyable cases you
are
> >bringing up are making people not want you to do either.
> >
> >Now, i'm not sure who you are, but you've been repeating yourself for the
> >past couple of days and its quite clear that you aren't bringing anything
> >to
> >this mailing list that we haven't heard and defended ourselves against
> >before.
> >
> >The only case you seem to be bringing to us is the same old "Admins abuse
> >power", "Admins are evil", etc. messages which aren't anything new. Its
> >starting to bore people, to be honest, and unless you have any
substantial
> >evidence to present about all of this I really doubt that your
persistence
> >will get you anywhere.
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "A. Nony Mouse" <temoforcomments4 at hotmail.com>
> >To: <wikien-l at Wikipedia.org>
> >Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 5:55 PM
> >Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Re: Weyes
> >
> >
> > > >From: Michael Turley <michael.turley at gmail.com>
> > > >Reply-To: Michael Turley <michael.turley at gmail.com>,English Wikipedia
> > > ><wikien-l at Wikipedia.org>
> > > >To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l at wikipedia.org>
> > > >Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Re: Weyes
> > > >Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 12:43:16 -0400
> > > >
> > > >On 7/5/05, A. Nony Mouse <temoforcomments4 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > You know something?
> > > > >
> > > > > The behaviors of admins like Weyes could easily have become - the
> >"many
> > > > > admins, and even some arbitrators" (read: just about ALL of the
> >current
> > > > > Arbitration Committee as well as the now-retired "Red Queen") who
> >have
> > > > > forgotten about civility and more generally about paying attention
> >to
> > > > > Wikipedia policy - is what I've been talking about.
> > > > >
> > > > > But instead of seeing them dealing with the issue, I've been
getting
> > > >almost
> > > > > nothing but nasty responses from the "go away we don't want to
hear
> > > >about
> > > > > it" inner Admin clique.
> > > > >
> > > > > How does that grab you? What does that say about the current Admin
> > > >clique?
> > > > >
> > > > > A. Nony Mouse
> > > >
> > > >Your reply "grabs me" as considerably more critical than my own
> > > >message was intended to be.
> > > >
> > > >I don't see a clique, and I don't see any significant abuses of
> > > >policy, but I do occasionally see excuses for harsh conduct where no
> > > >excuses should be.
> > >
> > > I call it a clique because it's the same admins - time and again - who
> >are
> > > the ones coming in and making excuses for the bad behavior of their
> >friends.
> > > And the favor seems to be returned.
> > >
> > > It's not just here, it's on Wikipedia in general. All we see on this
> >list
> >is
> > > the tip of the iceberg, the very few users who cared enough for
WHATEVER
> > > reason to take the option of last resort and appeal for the righting
of
> > > wrongs.
> > >
> > > Instead of getting it, they're getting harrassment at the hands of
this
> > > clique of editors who see nothing wrong with bad behavior and in many
> >cases
> > > encourage the bad behavior of their fellows.
> > >
> > > That's a problem. A BIG problem. Without this clique of editors, we
> >wouldn't
> > > have been subjected to expletive-filled rants by Kurita77 and Yoder. I
> >don't
> > > blame the newbies, I blame the clique of editors who choose to take an
> > > opportunity to blow off steam by repeatedly biting newbies until they
> >blow
> > > up.
> > >
> > > A. Nony Mouse
> > >
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