[WikiEN-l] SHOWCASING Abuses of Admin Power

[David 'DJ' Hedley]

Can we get rid of this Mouse guy? Hes bugging me. On a more serious note,
there is plenty of evidence that he is Enviroknot, enough to be conclusive
that he is - You are making excuses with completely minor issues - So what
if Enviroknot, under his normal alias didn't swear in his e-mails? If I
create another account, and start swearing, does that mean that i'm not the
person on the other account?

You can only assume so much good faith. Thats been assumed already for
Enviroknot. Kurita77 = Enviroknot. Unlucky for you, I guess.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "A. Nony Mouse" <temoforcomments4 at hotmail.com>
To: <gmaxwell at gmail.com>; <wikien-l at wikipedia.org>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] SHOWCASING Abuses of Admin Power


> Kurita77 actually sent emails from MANY IP addresses in his block.
>
> As far as I know, Enviroknot only ever posted from one IP address.
>
> Furthermore, Enviroknot stated several times that he was against swearing
> and would not do it - a marked contrast not only from Kurita77 but also
from
> the users that (Gerard claimed and I still don't believe) he was accused
of
> being a sockpuppet of, KaintheScion/ElKabong.
>
> I checked the record. Enviroknot's edits and emails to this list do not
> contain a single swear word, anywhere.
>
> The same can't be said for Kurita77 or KaintheScion/ElKabong.
>
> Kurita77, on his initial 25 edits, made only one set that were on the same
> subject as Enviroknot. But we have policy on Wikipedia about that. Merely
> editing on the same subject or sharing similar opinions is NOT an
indication
> of sockpuppetry.
>
> Kurita77 was an example of a bunch of Inquisitionists running around
needing
> someone else to persecute, and biting the newbies. There was no good faith
> involved in dealing with him.
>
> "No Rational Person" would choose to believe that Kurita77 was the same as
> Enviroknot? I COMPLETELY dispute that statement. There is plenty of
evidence
> to indicate that Kurita77 is NOT the same person as Enviroknot.
>
> Instead, the Kurita77 case has proven a few things about the bad faith
> inherent in the behavior of editors/admins like YOU:
>
> 1 - You believe that no editor is smart enough to read the rules and
> tutorials before posting, and that (therefore) any editor who comes in and
> doesn't sound like a l33t skr1pt k1dd13z poster is guilty of being a
> sockpuppet. This CANNOT be allowed to be the case.  We want editors to
come
> in and meet high standards as soon as possible, which is why we put those
> tutorials up and made the rules available for them to read.
>
> We should not bite the newbies for actually paying attention.
>
> 2 - You believe that quoting someone (which is as simple as copying and
> pasting their edit) is evidence of sockpuppetry. Again, this CANNOT be
> allowed to be the case.
>
> The case of Kurita77's quote - which you call "complete support" - is YOU
> misrepresenting the event, nothing more. His actual behavior was to take a
> small paragraph from out between the bickering between Zeno of Elea and
> BrandonYusufToropov/Anonymous Editor, because it held a valuable
suggestion
> - a suggestion that BrandonYusufToropov even agreed was a good one, though
> the suggestion itself stirred up the usual hornets' nest of Islamic
> detractors and defenders pushing alternate readings of the Koran.
>
> If saying "hey, this guy had a good suggestion" is evidence of
sockpuppetry,
> then that is COMPLETELY wrong.
>
> Let me put it bluntly. Maybe you'll get it then.
>
> You Are Operating in Bad Faith, Maxwell.
> You Are Ignoring The Evidence.
> You Are Completely In The Wrong.
>
> A. Nony Mouse
>
> >
> >It has been pointed out several times that Kurita77 used the same IP
> >as enviroknott. The IP does not appear to be a proxy. Enviroknott is
> >blocked from wikipedia for being an abusive sockpuppetting troll.
> >Furthermore Kurita77 initial edits were on the same subjects and
> >enviroknott, and even came out in support of enviroknott. Finally,
> >this is the third user to magically appear, turn out to be from the
> >same IP as enviroknott.
> >
> >With these facts in mind, no rational person would believe that
> >Kurita77 was anyone but enviroknott. That you choose to ignore this
> >and continue to cite events related to this user in the furtherance of
> >your complaints shows a remarkable lack of reason on your part. You
> >have posted dozens of angry, drama inducing posts on this and related
> >matters. If someone were actually being wronged this would be
> >forgivable... But anyone who understands the issues can see that this
> >is clearly not the case. As a result you are, whether or not you
> >intend to, trolling this list.
> >
> >I understand that you believe the community is mishandling the matter,
> >but you aren't the one that is going to be able to fix it. I'm sorry,
> >because of your behavior we can not accept your help.
> >
> >At this point, I think it is fairly clear that you have been asked to
> >leave. In case it is not, I'll do it again: Nony, your participation
> >here is not productive for anyone. Please leave.
> >
> >I'd encourage others to cite the url to this message in the archives
> >when replying in a critical way to Nony in the future.  I don't think
> >it ethical to be rude to scare away users, as the users who need to go
> >enjoy the dispute... However I also feel no sorrow for those who have
> >been politely asked to leave and who receive some harsh words when
> >they refuse to cooperate. Quite frankly, we've assumed good faith and
> >I think we should continue to assume good faith, but I will not
> >complain about those who have run out of good faith for you.
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