[WikiEN-l] Evercat v. Libertas

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Tue Jan 4 08:13:31 UTC 2005


It looks to me like the block on Libertas should be removed immediately, Evercat has pretty much admitted he abused his powers in blocking her..  His IRC communications are irrelevant to his wikipedia actions.  He could have ignored the talk page issues and let them settle down.

However, I don't think he did anything wrong using info available to all, to figure out and speculate on a talk page about who libertas, was, wasn't or might be.  That is the risk we take when we use the internet.  If he had used sysop powers to violate pseudonym privacy that would be a different matter.  I know I don't expect my IP address and information discoverable from it, to be private.

            -- Silverback

-------------- Original message -------------- 

> I'm gonna get in some pre-emptive retaliation since I expect this might 
> be about to be discussed... 
> 
> I've been accused by User/Troll Libertas of being all "creepy" since I 
> revealed "her" location after 172 asked me to investigate whether "she" 
> might be User:Reithy. Libertas claims I've repeatedly revealed "her" 
> location. This is sort of true. I did indeed look up "her" location and 
> reveal it. 
> 
> (I use "her" throughout since "she" claims to be female, but I distrust 
> trolls...) 
> 
> I did not use any special powers to find Libertas' IP address. Of 
> course, mere sysops have no such powers. Libertas revealed "her" IP 
> address by editing logged out. 172 then gave me it, and asked me to 
> investigate. I had never been involved with Libertas before. 
> 
> As far as I recall (the Wiki is much too slow right now to check, so 
> possibly I'm forgetting something), I mentioned the location on the 
> following occasions: 
> 
> I initially mentioned it on 172's talk page, noting that it differed 
> from Reithy's. I restored it a few times when Libertas edited it 
> (because I don't like my comments being edited) and mentioned it once 
> more in a stupid debate (that Libertas started, by complaining about 
> something I wrote on my userpage about reincarnation) over whether 
> userpages can contain controversial claims. 
> 
> I regret the last occurence (the gist of which was that if "she" really 
> was from said location, it didn't make sense that "her" userpage was so 
> pro-American, so it looked like it was that way just to stir things up); 
> but I was discounting the possibility of an American living in said 
> place. So that was stupid of me. 
> 
> Anyway, this culminated in a big blowout on IRC. I don't have a log, 
> alas, but it involved "her" repeatedly claiming that I was acting 
> creepy, behaving like a thug, and threatening "her". "She" also seemed 
> to claim that I knew "she" was female (I didn't) and that this made my 
> discussion of "her" location more disturbing. Curiously, Libertas was 
> happy to reveal "her" location to everyone on IRC during this discussion. 
> 
> I did apologise on IRC for the last occurence. 
> 
> But "she" kept on with "her" insults, and finally, becoming Really 
> Bloody Furious (tm) I blocked "her". This was possibly another mistake. 
> I'll step down as a sysop, if people feel I should, but "she" seems like 
> an obvious troll to me. 
> 
> But I'm tired, and upset, and angry, and going to bed now. 
> 
> Evercat 
> -- 
> Allan Crossman - a.crossman at blueyonder.co.uk 
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