[WikiEN-l] Re: Silverback and the 3RR

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The changes I made were to show the connective logic by which my statement was not original research, which was your extremely brief and unclear objection.  Sometimes small changes can be significant, for instance if you ever read the added wikilink to "altruism" you would see there is a substantial evolution section.  Changes do not have to be contiguous to be responsive to objections.  My change elsewhere was related to my insert, and a further answer to the objection, making the connection clear.   Although it would be flattering, I doubt that I am the first person to realize that "to each according to his ability" is "altruism", or that altruistic memes ride on phenotypes that evolved in smaller social groups where kinship was more likely.

My changes were not reverts, the substantive and responsive, to wholesale reversions to earlier versions with the rather cryptic "original research" complement as an explanation.

                                   -- Silverback

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> >Comparing Silverback's edit at Jan 1, 20:30 to the one at Dec 31, 
> >07:22 it seems to not have been a revert, 
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Communism&diff=9017540&oldid=8975393 
> >since he changed the disputed paragraph quite a bit. 
> 
> He hasn't changed the paragraph as much as add to it. The problematic, 
> undocumented original research is still there: 
> 
> >[Altruism]] [[evolution|evolves]] when those being helped have a strong 
> >likelyhood of sharing those same altruistic [[gene|genes]]. Altruistic, 
> >non-individualistic, [[memes]] such as communism may gain their persuasive, 
> >replicative power by riding on these genes, in much the same way that humans 
> >have been convinced to sacrifice for nationalism even though large nation 
> >states did not exist during most of their evolution. More selfish genes, which 
> >tend to reinforce or reward altruistic or cooperative behavior in others may 
> >also be of assistance to the communism meme. 
> 
> Is the Libertas version that caused the original problem of which Silverback 
> reinstated the following (that is all but the first sentence from above): 
> 
> >Altruistic, non-individualistic, [[memes]] such as communism may gain their 
> >persuasive, replicative power by "riding" on these genes, in much the same way 
> >that humans have been convinced to sacrifice for nationalism even though large 
> >nation states did not exist during most of their evolution. More selfish genes, 
> >which tend to reinforce or reward altruistic or cooperative behavior in others 
> >may also be of assistance to the communism meme. 
> 
> And added: 
> >The explanation for the development of [[Altruism|altruistic genes]] by 
> >[[evolution|natural selection]] is that those being helped have must a strong 
> >likelyhood of sharing those same altruistic [[gene|genes]]. 
> 
> to the beginning and: 
> >Without the presence of altrustic behavior in humans and the appeal of 
> >altruistic behavior in others to humans, communism and other altruistic or 
> >collectivist memes, such as nationalism, religion, charity, etc. would have no 
> >appeal to humans 
> 
> To the end. Given what he reinstated, unaltered, from Libertas' version I 
> don't see how the edit in question can be described as anything but a 
> reversion. A reversion with other changes made but a reversion nevertheless. 
> 
> AndyL 
> 
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