[WikiEN-l] VfD vs. Wikipedia:

[Fastfission]

Well, they already speedied VFD once... whatever the deletion reform
may be, I hope it ends with a VFD of VFD...

FF

On 8/20/05, Phroziac <phroziac at gmail.com> wrote:
> So, then anything can be VFD'd via IAR, and if it's in the wikipedia:
> namespace, it can be speedy kept, via IAR. IAR is useful, eh? :)
> Anyway, if you notice, it says on the vfd page it is for _articles_. I
> put that in bold, maybe it will help a little, with the rediclousness.
> 
> How long will it be before people VFD a VFD on a VFD of a VFD of a wikiproject?
> 
> On 8/20/05, Sam Korn <smoddy at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I think we have to understand that there are no hard-and-fast rules to
> > Wikipedia.  IAR applies to every policy and every guideline,
> > including, confusingly, itself.
> >
> > Therefore, I don't think we can say "you may never VfD a page in
> > project space".  Nevertheless, I think it would be almost impossible
> > to create a case in which policy might be put to a deletion vote.
> > Even less one where it would actually succeed!  Any posting of a
> > policy or guideline that had been ratified by the community would
> > struggle to be anything other than disrupting Wikipedia (possibly to
> > make a point).  As such, it would be immediately eligable for a speedy
> > keep, and I would have no qualms about doing such myself.
> >
> > As to other pages in the project namespace, I don't think we should
> > forbid listing them on VfD.  Apart from anything else, they could be
> > seriously detrimental to the Wikipedia community if something
> > misleading were put there, when it could not be replaced by something
> > legitimate.
> >
> > So, in all, I'd say that VfD'ing project namespace pages is not
> > forbidden, and shouldn't be, so long as it isn't forbidden by an
> > existing policy, such as WP:POINT.
> >
> > Sam/smoddy
> >
> > On 8/20/05, Essjay -Wikipedia- <essjay-wiki at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > (First, hello all, please be patient with me, as this is my first post to
> > > the mailing list and I'm sure I'll do something wrong in the process.)
> > >
> > > I have a very specific question that I can't seem to find an answer to, and
> > > it seems that the mailing list is the best way to get a definative answer,
> > > particularly from our Fearless Leader. Everyone knows that there have been a
> > > couple of recent VfD's that have created havoc on the site, and have been
> > > commented on ad nauseam. I don't want to rehash those particular examples,
> > > rather, I want an answer to this question:
> > >
> > > Is it appropriate for the fate of pages in the Wikipedia: (project)
> > > namespace to be decided on VfD?
> > >
> > > The deletion policy is vague on the issue. I understand that the recent
> > > VfD's have involved specific issues that many would consider exeptions to
> > > policy, but all I want to know is, is it okay for otherwise acceptible pages
> > > in the project namespace to be VfD'd:
> > >
> > > 1) If I propose a policy in good faith, is it acceptible to disregard
> > > standard proceedure for gaining consensus and instead list the page on VfD,
> > > and if it survives, consider it policy, and if it fails, consider it dead?
> > > 2) If so, can established policies/guidlines be overturned by a VfD. For
> > > example, WP:BITE.
> > > 3) Finally, if established policy is subject to VfD, is official policy, for
> > > example, NPA and NPOV, subject to VfD, and if not, why is it any different
> > > from other policies that have gained consesus but are deletable under #2?
> > >
> > > My guess is, getting a definative answer on the issue is about as likely as
> > > finding a flying pig, but I'm putting it out there nonetheless. I'd really
> > > like to see an answer in the form of: "No, VfD can't touch policy, including
> > > proposed policy" or "yes, all pages are subject to VfD." Bonus points if the
> > > header of that response says "From: jwales"
> > >
> > > Thanks all for your patience,
> > >
> > > Essjay
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