[WikiEN-l] Re: WikiEN-l Digest, Vol 25, Issue 23

Sun Aug 7 13:20:32 UTC 2005

Who can I contact to see if I can add links/content to Wikipedia?

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>    1. Re: Anti-elitism (Jimmy Wales)
>    2. Re: What's wrong with the world? (Andrew Gray)
>    3. Re: What's wrong with the world? (Jimmy Wales)
>    4. Re: What's wrong with the world? (Bryan Derksen)
>    5. Wikipedia and the future of open source (Ben Yates)
>    6. Re: Is this right? (Skyring)
>    7. Re: Copyright situation (Karl Butcher)
>    8. Re: What's wrong with the world? (David Gerard)
>    9. Re: What's wrong with the world? (David Gerard)
>   10. Re: What's wrong with the world? (David Gerard)
>   11. Re: Wikipedia and the future of open source (Alphax)
>   12. Re: Wikipedia and the future of open source (David Gerard)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 13:40:35 +0200
> From: Jimmy Wales <jwales at wikia.com>
> Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Anti-elitism
> To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l at Wikipedia.org>
> Message-ID: <42F4A1B3.4040304 at wikia.com>
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> Alphax wrote:
>
>> - From what I've heard - and I could be gravely mistaken - and I
>> apologise
>> if I am - Larry's approach was "I have more degrees than you, I made
>> this whole thing happen, therefore I must be right".
>>
>> Sounds exactly like the sort of elitism he warns against.
>
> First, Larry warns us against "anti-elitism" not against "elitism".
> He's an advocate of elitism.
>
> I think your summary of his approach is unfair to him as well.  Larry
> would react very badly to the notion that he would ever say "I have more
> degrees than you, etc."  That's not like him at all.
>
> Larry and I have our disagreements but I feel that his impact in the
> early years was substantial and should be respected.
>
> --Jimbo
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 13:12:49 +0100
> From: Andrew Gray <shimgray at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] What's wrong with the world?
> To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l at wikipedia.org>
> Message-ID: <f3fedb0d050806051244329ff8 at mail.gmail.com>
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> On 06/08/05, Phroziac <phroziac at gmail.com> wrote:
>> As was mentioned in #wikimania on IRC, jimbo IS mistakenly misquoted,
>> but nobody really knows what he said. He's been requested to debunk
>> the screwups already.
>
>>From [[Wikipedia:Announcements]]
>
> "Numerous news outlets are quoting a Reuters report that Jimmy Wales
> has stated that there will be a "freeze" on editing. Jimbo says that
> statements about methods for achieving the widely-discussed stable
> "Wikipedia 1.0" were misinterpreted as implying a project-wide
> lockdown. Wikipedia's open editing will continue for the forseeable
> future, and any potential stablized version would exist alongside the
> current system. Jimbo was last seen looking for the 'edit this page'
> link on the Reuters article."
>
> <g>
>
> --
> - Andrew Gray
>   andrew.gray at dunelm.org.uk
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 15:09:00 +0200
> From: Jimmy Wales <jwales at wikia.com>
> Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] What's wrong with the world?
> To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l at Wikipedia.org>
> Message-ID: <42F4B66C.70603 at wikia.com>
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> Anthony DiPierro wrote:
>> "'There may soon be so-called stable contents. In this case, we'd freeze
>> the pages whose quality is undisputed,' he said."
>
> This is a translation into English of a statement in German which was a
> translation of something I said in English.
>
> The bit about this being an "announcement" is, well, something they just
> made up from scratch.  I made no particular announcement.   A reporter
> asked me the usual sort of question about "how can we trust it if it can
> always be changed, maybe it was good but it gets vandalized then, etc."
>
> And I gave my usual sort of answer that we are discussing ways to
> identify particular versions of articles as being good and that we won't
> ever lock articles permanently, even if we do have a stable branch.
>
> Somehow this was turned into an "announcement" that we are changing
> editorial policy and forming a committee to determine which articles to
> lock in perpetuity.
>
> I'm glad to see that the general reaction in the Wikipedia community was
> to doubt the media rather than simply assume that I've gone insane. :-)
>
> --Jimbo
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 08:00:48 -0700
> From: Bryan Derksen <bryan.derksen at shaw.ca>
> Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] What's wrong with the world?
> To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l at Wikipedia.org>
> Message-ID: <42F4D0A0.6020603 at shaw.ca>
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> Jimmy Wales wrote:
>
>>I'm glad to see that the general reaction in the Wikipedia community was
>>to doubt the media rather than simply assume that I've gone insane. :-)
>>
>>
> We all know how hopelessly unreliable the things we read on the Internet
> are. :)
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 18:20:14 -0400
> From: Ben Yates <bluephonic at gmail.com>
> Subject: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia and the future of open source
> To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l at wikipedia.org>
> Message-ID: <2b76523c05080515207d4abfbe at mail.gmail.com>
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> Hey; I just wrote an article (jist: wikipedia will soon be more
> important than linux) and wanted to get feedback from people who have
> a detailed knowledge of wikipedia (namely, the people on this list).
>
> http://wikip.blogspot.com/2005/08/future-of-open-source-5-years-ago.html
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ben Yates
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 10:40:48 +1000
> From: Skyring <skyring at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Is this right?
> To: Cyberjunkie <swatso at optusnet.com.au>
> Cc: English Wikipedia <wikien-l at wikipedia.org>
> Message-ID: <550ccb82050805174019fac1c6 at mail.gmail.com>
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> On 8/5/05, Cyberjunkie <swatso at optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Skyring [mailto:skyring at gmail.com]
>
>> Ah, yes! Mr Anonymous Editor. Good to hear from you again.
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=2
>> 11.29.1.21
>>
>> Well, that confirms my opinion of you. You persist only to besmirch
>> others'.
>
> One could say the same of you, brother, given the nature of your
> message. But that would be equally wrong, wouldn't it?
>
> It is hard to Assume Good Faith of that particular message, but you'd
> be hard pressed indeed to find an edit of mine which was malicious or
> intentionally offensive.
>
> --
> Peter in Canberra
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 14:30:24 -0700
> From: Karl Butcher <measure at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Copyright situation
> To: Skyring <skyring at gmail.com>,	English Wikipedia
> 	<wikien-l at wikipedia.org>
> Message-ID: <c013b5cf05080414304a075976 at mail.gmail.com>
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> If Iran joins international copyright treaties, and we haven't respected
> their copyrights, major changes would have to be made all at once. It is
> simpler to respect their copyrights now, so it can't come up as an issue
> later.
>  -Measure
>
>  On 8/4/05, Skyring <skyring at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 8/5/05, Puddl Duk <puddlduk at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > This has come up before on the copyright problems page. Even if we are
>> > legally able (at the moment) to violate Iran's copyright laws, I don't
>> think
>> > that we should.
>>
>> What advantage would there be in doing so? Surely there's nothing in
>> any Iran-related article that HAS to be sourced this way.
>>
>> --
>> Peter in Canberra
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 00:30:47 +1000
> From: fun at thingy.apana.org.au (David Gerard)
> Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] What's wrong with the world?
> To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l at Wikipedia.org>
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> Phroziac (phroziac at gmail.com) [050806 06:07]:
>
>> There's nothing wrong with the minority thing, but it is pretty funny.
>> I completely agree with locking completed articles. Why should they be
>> edited if they're done?
>
>
> It's a thing called a "wiki" ...
>
> If there's a particularly good version of an article, that version will
> always be in the history and can be linked to directly.
>
> The quality vs content thing tends to go: OK article is polished into
> really well-written article. Someone adds something which is arguably
> relevant but looks lumpy in the structure. So the article has more detail,
> but is only good as opposed to great. Polish again to great. And so on.
>
> As much as it pains me, I suspect more good information is better for the
> reader than beautiful composition, given the choice.
>
>
> - d.
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 00:31:49 +1000
> From: fun at thingy.apana.org.au (David Gerard)
> Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] What's wrong with the world?
> To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l at Wikipedia.org>
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> steve v (vertigosteve at yahoo.com) [050806 05:49]:
>
>> From [[ minority ]]:
>> ''This article is about the concept of a minority. For
>> an entry on the [[Green Day]] single, see [[Minority
>> (song)|Minority]].''
>> !
>
>
> Heh. In cases like that, {{otheruses}} on the main article and a disambig
> with two entries seems entirely sensible to me ;-)
>
>
> - d.
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 00:55:17 +1000
> From: fun at thingy.apana.org.au (David Gerard)
> Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] What's wrong with the world?
> To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l at Wikipedia.org>
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> Haukur Þorgeirsson (haukurth at hi.is) [050806 07:28]:
>
>> On the Norse mythology articles, which is
>> my primary sphere of interest on Wikipedia,
>> irrelevant fancruft tends to accumulate and
>> distract from the main content of the entries.
>> For an example see [[Yggdrasil]] which has
>> a large Popular Culture section and a disambiguation
>> entry, both of which could be summarized with
>> "a bunch of things in a bunch of games/novels/etc.
>> have been named after the mythological Yggdrasil".
>> Sometimes I snap and delete some of the stuff.
>> For example I removed the following from [[Fenrisulfr]]:
>> "Fenrir appears as a summonable character in Squaresoft's Final Fantasy
>> IX. Also it is a summonable creature in Final Fantasy XI."
>
>
> See [[Lilith]] for what seems so far to be a stable solution to this
> problem: all the pop culture is in [[Lilith (disambiguation)]]; and after
> someone re-added the ==Lilith in popular culture== section, I made that
> section's entire contents "See [[Lilith (disambiguation)]]". You'll
> probably want to do that with quite a lot of the pop-culture-infested
> Norse
> mythology articles.
>
>
> - d.
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2005 00:24:25 +0930
> From: Alphax <alphasigmax at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia and the future of open source
> To: Ben Yates <bluephonic at gmail.com>,	English Wikipedia
> 	<wikien-l at Wikipedia.org>
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> Ben Yates wrote:
>> Hey; I just wrote an article (jist: wikipedia will soon be more
>> important than linux) and wanted to get feedback from people who have
>> a detailed knowledge of wikipedia (namely, the people on this list).
>>
>> http://wikip.blogspot.com/2005/08/future-of-open-source-5-years-ago.html
>>
>
> The first graph is INSANE. Can you put it on commons or meta?
>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 01:00:01 +1000
> From: fun at thingy.apana.org.au (David Gerard)
> Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia and the future of open source
> To: Ben Yates <bluephonic at gmail.com>,	English Wikipedia
> 	<wikien-l at Wikipedia.org>
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> Ben Yates (bluephonic at gmail.com) [050807 00:25]:
>
>> Hey; I just wrote an article (jist: wikipedia will soon be more
>> important than linux) and wanted to get feedback from people who have
>> a detailed knowledge of wikipedia (namely, the people on this list).
>> http://wikip.blogspot.com/2005/08/future-of-open-source-5-years-ago.html
>
>
> Love that bar chart ;-) It also explains one of Wikipedia's real problems:
> we have a zillion editors making demands, and a way too small number of
> actual developers working on the actual MediaWiki code.
>
>
> - d.
>
>
>
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