[WikiEN-l] JFW

Wed Sep 8 00:00:57 UTC 2004

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>    1. Re: VfD is broken (Tim Starling)
>    2. Re: Re: Re: VfD is broken (Chris Wood)
>    3. Re: Re: Re: VfD is broken (Chris Wood)
>    4. Re: Re: Re:VfD is broken (Matt Brown)
>    5. Re: Re: Re:VfD is broken (Chris Wood)
>    6. Re: VfD is broken (Chris Wood)
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>    8. Re: Please stop Danny from harassing me (J.F. de
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>    9. Announcing Wikibookclub (daniwo59 at aol.com)
>   10. Re: Re: Re: Re: VfD is broken (Rick)
>   11. Re: Re: Re: Re: VfD is broken (Rick)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 12:09:11 +1000
> From: Tim Starling <ts4294967296 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [WikiEN-l] Re: VfD is broken
> To: wikien-l at wikipedia.org
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> Chris Wood wrote in full:
> > Deletionism is a problem because it is against current
> Wikipedia policies.
> 
> [...and some other similar posts]
> 
> Chris, how about rolling those 6 posts up into one in the
> future, and 
> quoting the text that you're replying to. This is a
> mailing list, not IM.
> 
> -- Tim Starling
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 14:05:51 +1200
> From: "Chris Wood" <standsongrace at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [WikiEN-l] Re: Re: Re: VfD is broken
> To: wikien-l at wikipedia.org
> Message-ID: <chggsa$s0g$1 at sea.gmane.org>
> 
> > Stubs yes, but their notability and/or verifiability is
> another. What
> > will people think of how trustworthy our information is
> if we permit
> > rubbish such as a biased advertisement for a discussion
> forum to
> > languish on Wikipedia?
> 
> But what do you mean by notability? Your humble opinion?
> Have a look at the
> proposed policy on what "notability" means at
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Importance.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 14:05:56 +1200
> From: "Chris Wood" <standsongrace at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [WikiEN-l] Re: Re: Re: VfD is broken
> To: wikien-l at wikipedia.org
> Message-ID: <chggse$s0g$2 at sea.gmane.org>
> 
> > Unfortunately, the things which CAN be quickly deleted
> are very limited.
> Right now, there is a huge number of pages written by a
> troll named [[El
> Coronado]] which are obvious fiction, but they are not
> allowed to be speedy
> deleted, because obviously false information is not an
> acceptable condition
> (by some) for speedy deletion.  Instead, we have to go
> through the
> cumbersome VfD process to get rid of them.  If obviously
> false information
> was an accpetable criterion, then we could have gotten
> rid of all of this
> user's creations already, and we wouldn't have several
> different entries on
> VfD for them.
> >
> > If there were no VfD, what would be the inclusionists'
> acceptable process
> for getting rid of this false information?
> 
> I don't think any "inclusionists" have argued to get rid
> of VfD. We're just
> saying it isn't working like it was originally designed
> to. I don't have an
> alternative process, just a recommendation that people
> actually follow
> policy on which articles should be listed on VfD - this
> is
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Importance
> 
> > It took a great deal of work and research by several
> people actively
> involved in the VfD process to make this into a useable
> article.  Would
> those of you objecting to VfD actually have preferred
> that it have remained
> as it was in its original state?
> > I am an active participant in [[Cleanup]].  But there
> are hundreds of
> articles listed there that never get worked on.  By
> putting a 5-day deadline
> on them on the VfD page, we get some very reasonable
> articles, which then
> get kept.  VfD is NOT just a "deletionist" playground,
> it's a serious effort
> by many people to make decent articles, or to figure out
> what to do with
> articles that aren't decent.
> 
> We are saying "improve the article, don't delete it , if
> the article is
> important (Wikipedia:Importance) enough". VfD is not
> about improvement, it's
> about deletion. Cleanup is about improvement. Yes, there
> are some articles
> (less than hundreds) which are never worked on. Yet
> surely that is better
> than the hundreds which are deleted, not because they
> don't belong in
> Wikipedia, but because they aren't good enough?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 19:10:58 -0700
> From: Matt Brown <morven at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Re: Re:VfD is broken
> To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l at wikipedia.org>
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> On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 13:50:43 +1200, Chris Wood
> <standsongrace at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Deletionism is a problem because it is against current
> Wikipedia policies.
> 
> Both extremes - extreme deletionism, and extreme
> inclusionism - are
> against current Wikipedia policies.
> 
> -Matt (User:Morven)
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 14:16:37 +1200
> From: "Chris Wood" <standsongrace at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [WikiEN-l] Re: Re: Re:VfD is broken
> To: wikien-l at wikipedia.org
> Message-ID: <chgham$t1v$1 at sea.gmane.org>
> 
> > > Deletionism is a problem because it is against
> current Wikipedia
> policies.
> >
> > Both extremes - extreme deletionism, and extreme
> inclusionism - are
> > against current Wikipedia policies.
> >
> > -Matt (User:Morven)
> 
> 
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