[WikiEN-l] Re: Full nice handbag

[Mark Richards]

Garage bands would mostly seem to be covered by vanity
pages, I don't know what a vanity conlang is, and
programming languages? If they are real, I would
probably keep them.
Mark

--- Rebecca <misfitgirl at gmail.com> wrote:

> What about garage bands? Vanity conlangs and
> programming languages? Etc, etc.
> 
> -- ambi
> 
> 
> On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 14:33:04 -0700 (PDT), Mark
> Richards
> <marich712000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > The vanity criteria are well established and apply
> > only to biography. I don't see the connection at
> all.
> > I oppose taking criteria that were designed for
> > biography and applying them to places, buildings,
> > artwork, or other things.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Mark
> > 
> > --- John Lee <johnleemk at gawab.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > Then I believe both of you have just admitted
> that
> > > "notability" is a
> > > valid criteria for inclusion/deletion. After
> all,
> > > just try reading the
> > > definition of vanity according to Wikipedia Mark
> > > linked to.
> > >
> > > John Lee
> > > ([[User:Johnleemk]])
> > >
> > > Ray Saintonge wrote:
> > >
> > > > I see nothing wrong with his position.  There
> are
> > > multiple deletion
> > > > criteria available.  Each has its own
> definition.
> > > We can define a
> > > > vanity page in terms of self-promotion or
> > > self-glorification.
> > > > Verifiability is a different and independent
> > > criterion.  Using the
> > > > description of one criterion to determine the
> > > applicability of a
> > > > different one is illogical.
> > > >
> > > > Ec
> > > >
> > > > John Lee wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Sorry, I don't understand - why would vanity
> > > pages be eligible for
> > > >> deletion if the information therein was 100%
> > > verifiable and factual?
> > > >> Delirium said that this isn't a strawman
> because
> > > *we get 100%
> > > >> verifiable articles such as vanity pages
> which
> > > are deleted*. You
> > > >> argue in favour of their deletion, because
> they
> > > are vanity pages -
> > > >> what constitutes a vanity page? A page
> written by
> > > someone seeking
> > > >> glorification? But, why, the information's
> > > verifiable! Isn't
> > > >> Wikipedia supposed to be a compendium of
> human
> > > knowledge? I honestly
> > > >> don't understand your paradoxical - dare I
> say,
> > > hypocritical - stance
> > > >> on this.
> > > >>
> > > >> John Lee
> > > >> ([[User:Johnleemk]])
> > > >>
> > > >> Mark Richards wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> It's a straw man because you are taking the
> case
> > > in
> > > >>> dispute (schools) and claiming that if we
> keep
> > > >>> schools, we will have to keep an article on
> each
> > > >>> school band member.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> There are existing rules to deal with vanity
> > > articles,
> > > >>> and to the extent that we have a problem
> with
> > > them,
> > > >>> they have been deleted as vanity.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Let's not confuse the issues of schools with
> > > some
> > > >>> hypothetical deluge of articles about
> > > cheerleaders or
> > > >>> dead cats.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> If I have presented my case as an extreme
> one,
> > > then I
> > > >>> have misrepresented my aims. I certainly do
> not
> > > >>> support an article on each high school band
> > > member. I
> > > >>> doubt that you could really write a
> verifiable
> > > and
> > > >>> factual article on them that was not a
> vanity
> > > page
> > > >>> anyway.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> It's not that these people are not notable,
> they
> > > >>> certianly are to some people, it is the fact
> > > that
> > > >>> these would be vanity articles, I am not
> > > proposing to
> > > >>> remove this criteria for deletion.
> > > >>
> > >
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