[WikiEN-l] Re: the wik user
phil hunt
zen19725 at zen.co.uk
Sat May 15 17:16:59 UTC 2004
On Fri, 14 May 2004 19:47:58 -0700, Delirium <delirium at hackish.org> wrote:
>I think you've hit on the crux of the matter: if wik were merely an
>edit-warrior who got into fights everywhere, he would've been banned
>long ago.
This is no doubt true.
> It's true some of his edit count is due to edit wars, but
>some of it is also due to simply being a very prolific editor with
>apparently a lot of time to devote to Wikipedia, much of it on
>relatively uncontroversial topics. Sometimes he also turns out to be
>right in his disputes, and his opponents use tactics no better than his,
>which further complicates things.
>
>I think in general Wik's behavior isn't a major problem in terms of
>actual behavior,
I disagree. When Wik's behaviour drives off respected members of the
Wikipedia community such as [User:Tannin], it is a problem for us
all.
Wik has made some useful edits. Unfortunately he also has a very
abrasive manner. This means that his behaviour often annoys other
Wikipedians, who are sometimes as a consequence discouraged from
further contributing to Wikipedia as a consequence.
It seems to me that the amount of good edits Wik has made may well
be less than the number of good edits other people have been
discouraged from making as a consequence of Wik's actions. If this
is the case, then Wik's overall effect is a negative one.
>The structural change is something that occasionally gets proposed but
>hasn't been detailed to anyone's satisfaction yet. The main issue is
>how we can make things less "fragile" without also losing the
>characteristic "anyone can edit any page" nature of Wikipedia.
I'm not sure that's possible.
>Personally, I wouldn't be against losing some of that for
>more-established pages---once an article has been hashed out over a
>period of a year or two by hundreds of people, the ability for anyone to
>change anything seems to do more harm than good.
That may well be the case. Consider how the front page has been
protected, to stop vandals.
> In fact, most major
>edits to something like, say, [[Israel]] will be reverted anyway unless
>there is plenty of talk-page discussion about each point first, so maybe
>it wouldn't hurt to make this restriction more technically-based.
Where there are contentious pages -- of which [[Israel]] is one --
then perhaps the software could explicitly mark them as contentious
and deal with them differently from normal pages.
For example, how about a rule that contentious pages can only be
edited by logged-in users whose accounts have been active for at
least one month?
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