[WikiEN-l] Viajero/Zero and Lance6 - POV terms

[Harry Smith]

Ray, 

You suggest that we add "as determined by a duly
constituted tribunal." to the wikipedia definition of
murder.

in the case at hand, July 23 slaying (NPOV?) of Hassan
Al-Zanin (sp?) either the group of individuals siting
the weapon on his family's property/land where at
"duly constituted tribunal" or were not.   

Are we suggesting that this status arose during the
disagreement with the family or are we saying that the
group of individuals siting the weapon had the status
of "duly constituted tribunal" before they arrived?

Seems hard to make either claim for this group of
individuals, dont you think?

Sincerely,

Lance6Wins

ps.  Where is Zero0000 in all this?  Clearly he has an
opinion on the matter, else this thread would not
exist!


--- Ray Saintonge <saintonge at telus.net> wrote:
> Harry Smith wrote:
> 
> >with regard to calling an act murder.  The common
> >definition of murder and the definition that
> appears
> >in wikipedia is:
> >
> >Murder is the crime of intentionally causing the
> death
> >of another human being, without lawful excuse.
> >
> >If we accept this definition, then we need to ask
> if
> >the individuals that shot the boy had lawful
> excuse. 
> >>From the articles, the reason for the shooting is
> that
> >the boy and his family opposed the attempt to use
> the
> >family's property/land.  Does the family's refusal
> >constitute lawful excuse for the shooting?
> >
> >If its does not constitute lawful excuse, the act
> is
> >murder per the first line of the wikipedia entry on
> >murder.
> >
> >My question is do we use the term murder for this
> >shooting or do we change the wikipedia article on
> >murder?
> >
> Perhaps we need to change the definition to add
> something like, "as 
> determined by a duly constituted tribunal."  The
> facts outlined above 
> could very well result in a determination that there
> was a murder, but 
> neither we nor our contributors are in a position to
> make the needed 
> interrogations that will lead to the truth.  It's
> not for us to decide. 
> 
> >seems to be a question of wikipedia using its own
> >definitions for words at wikipedia.
> >
> >is this type of internal consistency valuable?
> >
> Certainly, and I thank you for pointing out this
> inconsistency so that 
> the definition can be repaired.
> 
> >if it is not should we make that known?
> >
> >is using the term murder according to the wikipedia
> >definition POV?
> >
> >Sincerely,
> >
> >Lance6Wins
> >
> >ps. perhaps the shooter meant to wound rather than
> >kill.  please repeat the above substituting
> >manslaugter for murder.
> >
> The only difference between murder and attempted
> murder is the ability 
> to shoot straight. :-)
> 
> Ec
> 
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