[WikiEN-l] Re: Where the Power Lies

[Anthere]

Any accusee has the right to be heard for defense in the real world. 
This takes time. In France, it can take years. 2 weeks is a minimum :-)

When there is very strong suspicion of crime, he can be maintained in 
jail before the trial actually occur.


Rick a écrit:
> That's ridiculous.  TWO WEEKS?  When a logged-in user is causing chaos 
> and an attempt by anyone to do something about it will lead to THEIR 
> being banned or having their sysop privileges taken away?  That is NOT 
> hasty, that's molasses slow.  I see no reason why anything more than 
> three days is necessary.
>  
> RickK
> 
> Fred Bauder <fredbaud at ctelco.net> wrote:
> 
>     I think the way you hold power in your own hands it that you, who are in
>     contact with the problem, can initiate the conflict resolution
>     procedure,
>     beginning with talking to the party, asking for mediation, then
>     arbitration.
> 
>     The arbitration committee (who if they are careful, are not in
>     contact with
>     the situation, at least not slugging it out) can if a case comes to us,
>     rather rapidly decide a matter and prescribe a remedy. (A week or two is
>     very rapid indeed in this context, even hasty).
> 
>     Fred Bauder, member of the arbitration committee
> 
>      > From: Anthere
>      > Reply-To: anthere8 at yahoo.com, English Wikipedia
>      > Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 08:43:36 +0100
>      > To: wikien-l at wikipedia.org
>      > Subject: [W ikiEN-l] Re: Plautus
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      > Martin Harper a écrit:
>      >> Arno M wrote:
>      >>
>      >>> When will something be done?
>      >>
>      >>
>      >> Brian Corr wrote:
>      >>
>      >>> Could someone give an update on a timeline for action?
>      >>
>      >>
>      >> Something will be done about Plautus when you do something about
>      >> Plautus. The timeline for action on Plautus is roughly:
>      >> 1) You decide to act.
>      >> 2) You act.
>      >
>      > I liked your answer
>      > But...I have another question
>      >
>      > Some people think that something should be done about Lir.
>      >
>      > Question they ask : When will something be done ?
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      > Answer they received from UserA :
>      > * There is no problem with user Lir. So, you have no problem
>      >
>      > ====> Answer of the type : your opinion is irrelevant
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      > Answer they received from UserB :
>      > * We are busy thinking about the matter. Please be patient, do not do
>      > anything, we'll fix the problem for you, that is our job
>      >
>      > ====> Answer of the type : please, hold on, you are not in charge, we
>      > are in charge. Go back to your own business
>      >
>      >
>      > ---------
>      >
>      > Still, nothing happen
>      >
>      > ---------
>      >
>      >
>      > What they do
>      > 1) They decide to act.
>      > 2) They act.
>      >
>      > Answer they received from UserC
>      > * Your action was incorrect. You are out of the game. Next time,
>     refer
>      > to suggestion of UserB instead of trying to decide and act by
>     yourself.
>      >
>      >
>      > -------
>      >
>      > Comment from Anthere
>      >
>      > When general guidelines are inconsistant, and that half of people say
>      > ''you are in charge, take charge'' and the half say ''do not do
>      > anything, those who have responsa bility here will take care of the
>      > matter for you'', is there proper consistancy in our message ?
>      >
>      > The vaccum cleaner hole is more than a hole.
>      > People just do not know, whether they should refer to a group of user
>      > from now on to fix their problems
>      > Or if they should manage to deal with problems themselves
>      >
>      > -------
>      >
>      > So, yes, that is a good answer, but at least people from the
>     arbitration
>      > committee should be consistant in their answer, to those of us
>     who are
>      > wondering what action power we still hold. At least, to know whether
>      > your answer, Martin, is the correct one, or the incorrect one.
>      >
>      > (I can have my own answer, but I suppose I would be the one to find
>      > myself in front of arbitration if I applied it, so will I dare ?)
>      >
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