[WikiEN-l] NO-FX ban

[Zoe]

What do you suggest?  I am very open and willing to
learn.  Michael refuses to discuss why he insists on
putting false information into articles.  That's why
he was banned in the first place.

Zoe

--- Brion Vibber <vibber at aludra.usc.edu> wrote:
> On Thu, 22 May 2003, steven l. rubenstein wrote:
> > Brion, I think that ultimately, you are right --
> vigilance and patient
> > deletion or reversion is the only way to deal with
> such a troll.  But even
> > reverting crap is a form of swatting.  If the
> question is whether we simply
> > ignore someone and let them do what they want, or
> act in some way against
> > vandalism, it seems we all agree on some form of
> action.
> >
> > The question is, what form.  From context it seems
> like you are arguing
> > against banning.  Well -- and I raise this as a
> general question, not just
> > concerning No-FX -- would you ban under any
> circumstances?
> 
> Oh, sure; indeed I have made bans where it seemed
> appropriate. A visit to
> [[Special:Ipblocks]] will show that. But repeatedly
> "banning" the same
> person over and over, when proven ineffective with
> that person, is rather
> pointless. The social effects of the ban haven't
> discouraged the person
> (indeed, perhaps encouraged them), and they've found
> a way around the very
> simple technical effects of the ban.
> 
> Obviously a change in strategy is required if we
> want to do anything
> other than re-ban Lir and Michael all day long. To
> continue to use the
> same strategy that we *know* is ineffective is
> neurotic.
> 
> -- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
> 
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