[WikiEN-l] 172's sysop request (was "Communist state and rudeness")

[Daniel Mayer]

Unbelievable - you are the one that violates [[Wikipetiquette]] and then you 
demand an apology from me? Have you apologized to tc and Fred for calling 
them vandals and saying that they should be banned? How about to Stan for 
saying he is on a "ridiculous crusade"? 

Or what you said to JT about other users: "... but if just about anybody else 
[besides JT] has worked on it...might as well delete that crap and start 
over." That, IMO, does not imply a team spirit.  

Or what you said /to/ SL: "I've explained this concept to children who've had 
no problems understanding it. Do you have any basic understanding of the 
forms of government in Laos, China, Cuba, North Korea, and Vietnam?"  

How about this recent comment: 
"Do you know the damn difference between opinion and proper content for an 
encyclopedia? " 

I'm known for giving offense at times but I'm also known for realizing when I 
was wrong and quickly apologizing (at one time I was often rude - but over 
time I've tried to improve and embrace Jimbo's concept of WikiLove - 
especially since Jimbo banned DW for being abusive and stated that 
Wikipetiquette will be an enforced policy). In this case I believe my 
criticism is valid and was delivered in as nice a way as possible considering 
the circumstances. But in the spirit of WikiLove I apologize for not 
qualifying this sentence:  

""A person who acts so badly and without backing off, apologizing or accepting  
their own POV, is, IMO, very likely to abuse any power they may have over  
others."  

I should have instead wrote: "A person, who in my experience, has consistently 
acted badly, seldom backs-off or apologizes to others after violating 
Wikipetiquette and seems to be unable to comprehend that adding a great deal 
of information (however accurate) from a certain viewpoint and failing to add 
major alternate viewpoints, is placing POV into an article (like going on and 
on about all the good things Saddam Hussein did for Iraq while failing to 
mention the major downsides of his regime and his harsh treatment of his own 
people). That type of person is, IMO, likely to leverage any power he may 
have over others (or at the very least, likely to give Adminhood a bad name 
and add fuel to the charges of arbitrary use of Admin powers). 

This is not to say that 172's should be banned (perhaps warned for his 
Wikipetiquette violations) but it does indictate, to me at least, that he 
would not make a good Admin."

The statements expressed here are just my opinions based on my perception of 
172's actions and should not be taken as a personal attack.  

-- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)