[WikiEN-l] Intention to (re-)ban: Pizza Puzzle (Lir)

[james duffy]

> > There has to be a way for people to redeem themselves.  For Lir, leaving
> > aside the multiple incarnation issue, the multiple small edit issue, may
> > be an editing style that annoys some people, but looked at alone I would
> > not consider it a banning offence.  What are his other '''recent'''
> > offences?
> >
> > Ec
>
>He knows he is banned yet is trying to be here with another phony user 
>name.
>He was not patient enough to wait til ban was legitimately lifted. 
>(Assuming
>it is Lir).
>
>Fred
>
Fred is quite correct. Remember this is a user who has been hard banned 
numerous times. They approached Jimbo and PROMISED that they would not come 
on under an assumed identity again. They gave their word. In the 
circumstances, they could have got Jimbo's agreement to come on again as 
themselves. They could have waited for the specified period then come back. 
But they instead went back on their word (yet again) and came on as an 
assumed identity, in the process giving the two fingers to Jimbo and the 
wiki rules on banning. As to Adam not committing offences - it isn't for the 
want of trying. One of Adam/Lir/Vera Cruz/Susan Mason/Dietary Fiber/Shino 
Baku etc's standard 'games' has been to provoke rows. One particular stunt 
they used to pull was to enter a page where an edit war had been taking 
place and just as peace was breaking out say or do something that would 
re-ignite it. I have seen 'Pizza Puzzle' try that once so far. (Luckily the 
people in question from past experience knew the 'game' and wouldn't play!)

PP placed bizarre messages on talk pages (I got one that said ''Adam 
[name omitted for privacy reasons] is a troll'), in a attempt to provoke a reaction. Knowing Adam's 
'game' I ignored it.) When that failed a provocative message was left on 
PP's user page by PP, proclaiming how they were a troll, again to see could 
they start a row. By then people had pretty much worked out PP's identity 
and after some emails and AIM messages (used so that Adam could not read 
them, which he would do if they were on talk pages) decided to ignore his 
latest bit of 'look at me. I'm a troll. Wanna fight?' antics.

So he tried another tried and trusted method. He voted then 'unvoted' on the 
dates vote page, in the hope that (as happened when he was 'Susan Mason') 
someone would react with a 'what the fuck do you think you are doing' 
response; he could then assume victim mode and get a few newbies to rush to 
his defence and turn the page into a nasty fight. But only one person 
challenged him on that, so that fizzled out.

Next try - remove someone's vote. So far that hasn't resulted in a major row 
of the sort that Adam as Lir, Vera and Susan seemed to love starting.

All of which poses the question: so what is next? What stunt with Adam try 
next to stir up a row? Going by past experience he will keep trying. Rows 
are the one thing Adam in all his identities has  contributed to wiki. He 
seems to get a kick out of starting them off.

If wiki is to thrive as an encyclopædia, it needs to be able to deal with 
the likes of Adam (now back on when he shouldn't be), Michael (though banned 
numerous times still coming on daily to vandalise pages) and Ron (aka DW, 
Black Widow, Elliot, Jacques Delson, 64.228.30.125, Joe Canuck and now 
ChuckM). Ron has been on almost continually, not withstanding constant 
hardbans since August 2002. Indeed Ron's contempt for wiki can be seen in 
the fact that he often has two 'identities' in use at once, an IP for 
editing and a named page for insulting. The fact that ChuckM, which he 
created on the 10th of June could suddenly be brought back on the 22nd, 
after his previous identity Joe Canuck was banned on the 20th shows his 
contempt for wiki - one of his first acts was to remove the ban notice from 
Canuck's page, then insult MyRedDice and accuse Wapcaplet, then remove a 
note from me on the VfD page urging a quick deletion of Canuck's dodgy 
images.

Our 'softly softly . . . maybe they might change' nonsense is not working. 
Michael still defaces articles. Ron still downloads dodgy images and Adam 
swans back giving Jimbo two fingers again and again and again. As a 
hardbanned user, there should be no need for a debate. The rules said 
explicitly that Adam should be banned immediately. Whether he writes good 
articles is irrelevant. He has no right to be here and as someone who can't 
even be bothered to keep his promises to Jimbo, we owe it to ourselves, 
Jimbo and Wiki to ban him as soon as possible, as often as needs be. So that 
Adam, Ron, Michael and everyone else gets the clear unambiguous message 
'wiki is a troll-free zone. All trolls will be barred on sight.', rather 
than our current message ' em . . . we'll talk about it and talk about it, 
and then talk about it a bit more. And when you are finally banned and come 
back, we'll do a lot more talking, not acting. So you have nothing to worry 
about.'

JT

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