[WikiEN-l] /ban pages (was re: Viking ban)

[Daniel Ehrenberg]

Most of those suggestions are good, but I've written
some minor critism 

--- martin at myreddice.freeserve.co.uk wrote:
> Jimbo said: "I, too, object strongly to this
> practice of creating '/ban' pages as a
> place to complain about people.  It seems likely to
> escalate a
> conflict rather than to resolve it."
> 
> response copied to [[meta:talk:bans and blocks]],
> for those who miss the "edit this 
> page" button. I know I do. :-)
> 
> Can we, between ourselves, find a better solution
> than /ban pages? Prior to my 
> (groundbreaking ;-) creation of the first ever /ban
> page, best practice seemed to edit 
> [[wikipedia:annoying users]], [[wikipedia:vandalism
> in progress]], [[user talk:USER 
> NAME]], [[wikipedia:village pump]], any and all talk
> pages for articles that the user in 
> question had edited, various talk pages of
> interested sysops ("I think it's Fred", "I 
> agree - it's Fred", "It's definitely Fred!", etc),
> and also to make long posts to the 
> mailing list in which one is either "shocked",
> "appalled", or (ideally) "shocked and 
> appalled".
Yes, this problem needs to be solved. On a side note,
I'm sure Fred is very insulted :)
> My desires were:
> * Single place for discussion - if I want to know
> "Why was Fred banned?", I should be 
> able to go to *one* Wikipedia page, read it, and be
> enlightened.
> * Avoid/discourage redundant discussions
> * Ability to refactor away redundancy
> * Ability to delete page when a banned user is
> reinstated, or when calls for banning 
> subside and the sweet voice of reason prevails 
I agree
> Alternatives I can think of immediately:
> * Do it on the user talk page
wouldn't make a difference.
> * Have a different name for the page (eg
> /complaints, /problems, ...)
sounds like doublespeak
> * Do it on a subpage of [[wikipedia:annoying users]]
> (eg [[wikipedia:annoying 
> users/Fred]])
makes most sense, moving away from their userpage.
After all, it's *their* page, not ours to conspire
against them on. But "annoying" seems a little too
strong; how about "contraversial users"?
> -Martin "Never met a vandal he didn't like" Harper
> (aka MyRedDice)

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