[WikiEN-l] The Lir situation

[Sean Barrett]

Just for the record, I also don't want Lir back, under any name.  I was
one of the first to suggest banning she/he/it at the start of the
Columbus tantrum, and was roundly condemned for my uncommunal attitude.
I stand by my original position: Lir is a waste of electrons, to say
nothing of time, and should not be allowed to darken our towels again.

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>  -----Original Message-----
> From: 	wikien-l-admin at wikipedia.org
[mailto:wikien-l-admin at wikipedia.org]  On Behalf Of Zoe
> Sent:	Saturday, February 08, 2003 11:33
> To:	WikiEN-l at wikipedia.org
> Subject:	[WikiEN-l] The Lir situation
>
> For some unfathomable reason, people want to allow Lir to come back.
Why, is beyond me.  He has been nothing but disruptive since he first
came onto the scene.  See the Talk page on [[Iowa State University]] for
Lir's very first comments on Wikipedia, in which he called people who
disagreed with him morons and specifically said that a dean at Iowa
State was a liar for disputing a quote Lir attributed to him.  It's also
worth noting that Lir tried to delete the Talk page, but I've restored
it so people can see just what he had to say.
>
> His next forary into collegiality was his attempt to make us believe
that Christopher Columbus's sole reason for visiting America was to take
slaves.  We also encountered a long edit war in which Lir insisted that
the article be at [[Cristobal Colon]] (with accent marks I'm not going
to try to reproduce here).  He then went into a crusade to rename all
places and people by the names they're known in their native languages,
instead of by the names they're known to English speakers, even though
this is the English wikipedia.  He has never made any attempts to be
polite, cordial or cooperative, but insists that only his way can
prevail.
>
> When he was finally banned, he went outside the Wikipedia and tried to
make people believe, on his personal blog page and elsewhere, that he
was banned for his politics, not for his personality and inability to
cooperate with others.  So then he came back as Vera Cruz, and continued
his lack of cooperation.  Even 172, someone who has the same sort of
personality as Lir/Vera Cruz/Adam/Bridget, found him impossible to work
with on the [[New Imperialism]] page, even though at first the two of
them were allies against those of us who wanted to keep the page NPOV
and useful.
>
> And now he claims he's repentant and won't behave in the same manner.
I find it hard to believe, but for some reason, the rest of you think
he's reformed.  I've had a long night thinking about this.  At first, I
felt that if you thought it was more important to have Lir here than me,
that fine, I'd leave and you could have him, and more power to you.  But
I've decided that was childish, and I apologize to everybody for saying
that.
>
> However ...
>
> If you let Lir back, I'd like to be a sysop.  I've avoided asking for
the authority before, even though some people have encouraged me to do
it.  But I know that Lir will be as disruptive as before, and I want to
be able to deal with him.  I promise I will be on my best behavior, and
will not act abruptly.  If you grant me this authority, then I'll go
along with the odd request that Lir be allowed to come back.  But if he
continues to disrupt, and people don't step in to get rid of him for
good, then I do swear I will leave, and I'm not just blowing smoke this
time.
>
> Zoe
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