[WikiEN-l] Facts and NPOV

[Poor, Edmund W]

Clutch wrote:

> We should be more concerned with presenting facts than with opinions.
> People turn to an Encyclopedia to find out the truth about things.
Just
> regurgitating "what everyone knows" is counter-productive when actual
> facts exist.
> 
> Believe it or not, NPOV requires the facts to be presented wherever
> possible, instead of opinions.

Okay, then the facts are:
* Arabs want to eliminate Israel completely.
* There are no "Palestinians" other than Palestinian Arabs
* Jordan *is* the Palestinian state.
* Propagandists like you think lying and murdering are justified.

Now that we're all agreed on that, RK and I will go ahead and ....

Huh? What's that you say? Those aren't the facts?

What are they, then? Just my opinion?

Golly, it sounds like you and I can't agree on what the facts are, even
if we both agree that we should present the facts wherever possible.

So what can we do? I guess we have to agree to disagree, and just say
that Source A thinks the facts are X, and Source B thinks the facts are
Y.

Which is exactly where we were before.

On controversial topics, such as politics, all we can ever say with
certainty is that X said Y about Z. Even then, sometimes X turns around
and says Y2 about Z later on!

In a spirit of collegial cooperation,

Ed Poor