[WikiEN-l] Re: What we need

[Jonathan Walther]

On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 01:28:34PM -0500, The Cunctator wrote:
>Yes, I think banning people is bad. But it may help the situation since
>everyone needs to take a few steps back and relax, Lir especially. Since I
>trust that Jimbo isn't happy and self-satisfied about banning Lir, I'm not
>overly upset. What we *don't* need is people like Clutch being juvenile with
>Lir's userpage, because public shaming in this manner isn't really the right
>tactic to handle someone like Lir.

If public shaming isn't available to us, then what other methods can we
use?  I don't think Lir is going to shape up within a week.  I didn't
see anyone trying to "shame" Lir; what I saw was Clutch offering an
article that looked like it could really benefit Lir, if he would read
it and take it seriously.

Lir enjoys the community here, but has a strong trollish streak.  He
alienated a lot of people so badly, they may never be able to look at
his edits in an unbiased way.  Maybe his user account should stay
locked, but at the end of the week his IP be unblocked so he can make a
new account, and take a fresh start, with a fresh name, without all the
poisonous bile which makes any attempt at reconciliation impossible.

I further propose that if Lir shows any sign that he hasn't learned his
lesson, he be banned right away again.  He has already wasted an
incredible amount of time and energy of Wikipedians who have tried to
help him and work with him.  He rejected all such help and delighted in
fucking people around.

His edits were trash, and they were all the worse because of our policy
of never deleting information.  I feel that policy needs to be reevaluated.
Not all information is appropriate to an encyclopedia, no matter how
interesting and factual it is.  Like Lirs edits to "Wealth of the
Nations", which just consists of a string of quotes from the book.

Jonathan

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