2016-09-18 21:50 GMT+02:00 Magnus Manske magnusmanske@googlemail.com:
The overwriting of human edits was the main "violation of the rules" that led to the banning of Listeria bot on German Wikipedia for the article namespace. I think someone actually made an IP edit just to have it overwritten on the next update, then point to the "evil bot action". Ah, such is luddites.
*facepalm*
I *think* you could do that if you use the SPARQL variables directly instead of the properties in the column headings, but you'd need to make "fake" item IDs (e.g. Q123.a, Q123.b or something). Internally, everything is wired to list one item per row, and it would be hard to fiddle with it. It was always a first attempt, not the final product...
Thanks for the suggestion. By the way, it's a great start, believe me. :)
2016-09-19 11:06 GMT+02:00 John Erling Blad jeblad@gmail.com:
Either the list should just be a an entry point for a list structure or table that is completely created outside the editors realm, or it should be possible to merge any user edit with content from the bot. There should be no in-between where the user needs additional knowledge about how to edit the bot-produced content or even that (s)he can't edit the bot-produced content. From the user (editors) point of view there should be no special precautions to how some pages should be edited.
I think this depends on and varies among communities. As I said, on it.wp all lists of people who were born and died on a particular date or year are automatically updated by a bot taking data from [1] since years, and nobody is batting an eye on this.
This doesn't rule out some sort of "user creativity" in doing lists, but in my opinion a bot-made list at the moment is better than no list at all. Moreover, the bot-made list can be a starter for users to think what to include in the future in those lists, and to make those list better.
Oh, no offence, but let's not forget that usually creating a table like [2] is difficult for an experienced user, let alone a newbie.
L.
[1] https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Bio [2] https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministri_della_Marina_del_Regno_d%27Italia