[Wikidata-l] Industry, JTC1/ISO, W3C, IUse, Wikimedia - where are we ?

[JFC Morfin]

At 17:20 04/04/2012, Stracke, Christian wrote:
>Dear all,
>I'm sorry bit "jfc" is mixing up different standards and committees 
>(what is easy):

Sorry for the confusion. The problem with ISO and ISO documents is 
that they are not documented on (i.e. interested in? i.e. interesting 
for?) Wikipedia.

1. 19788-1, can be found for free at: 
http://www.sis.se/PageFiles/2140/MLR-utkast%20arbetsmaterial.pdf

2. The Wikidata issue, as I see it, is that we do not start from an 
architectural framework based on a business plan, charter or TOR. It 
seems that the current target is to implement a W3C semantic web 
current-Wikimedia general data-store. This does not consider Wikidata 
as a major contributor to the future-Wikimedia development.

Agreeing on the role Wikidata is to play in the Wikimedia adaptation 
to the Internet future should be our first point of consensus. Otherwise :

1. Wikidata is of no direct interest to Internet Users, only to 
Wikipedia contributors;
2. another Wikimedia project is to be considered as a Wikidata back-end.

Certainly, at a time, there will be a need for a datamodel. But first 
we need to locate Wikidata in the Wikimedia strategy as a 
data-collector and as a data-desseminator, not only as a data-store, 
in a real world where there are five main conceptual channels : (1) 
Business World diversity (Search Engines, etc.), (2) JTC1, (3) W3C, 
(4) emergent IUsers [Intelligent lead users: FLOSS, IUCG], (5) 
Wikimedia. Possibly we have to consider Big Data, and the border with 
Big Data as it will emerge.

As being on the IUse side, I know that we need a convergence of these 
channels if we want to attain a good degree of (meta/syllo) data 
interchange and not multiply costs, complication and lack of progress 
everywhere (not only in sciences). Wikidata is not only about 
millions of lonely contributors/authors as Wikipedia  is, it also is about

* ISO 11179  conformant very large sources contributions
* diktyologies (from greek diktyos, network), i.e. dynamically 
auto-maintained intelligent ontologic spaces. This is a part we have 
to explore and support with new concepts (such as syllodata: data 
between metadata), cloud architecture, programming languages. 
Otherwise Wikimedia will soon be a story of the past, its free 
commons being copied by many (like http://wikipedia.orange.fr) and 
distributed and automatically enhanced by powerfull diktyologies with 
integrated big (scientific, etc.) data servers.

jfc