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    <p><font face="Linux Biolinum O">It's really the first time ever I hear
        about this rule. Sure making 3 digits group separated with thin
        non breaking spaces is a good practice that you might use for
        the vintage, although to my mind that's a practice whose readability
        usefulness comes with larger number. That is 2017 is far more
        common than 2 017, and you might even argue that habit might
        make the former less disturbing.</font></p>
    <p><font face="Linux Biolinum O">Now regarding spaces between words,
        do anyone have an authoritative source on the subject and what
        it says on this topic? For example there is the <a
href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexique_des_r%C3%A8gles_typographiques_en_usage_%C3%A0_l%27Imprimerie_nationale">Lexique
          des règles typographiques en usage à l'Imprimerie nationale</a>
        but I have no access to it right now.</font><br>
    </p>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 24/01/2017 à 01:43, Saroj Dhakal a
      écrit :<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CAAwzgAUFH9VntrdqELwUu9VcGWjnKA0-U7yMubUfKP04egSh4g@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">
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      <div dir="auto">Please use the suggested format.
        <div dir="auto"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir="auto">Thanks,</div>
        <div dir="auto">Saroj</div>
      </div>
      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 24, 2017 6:26 AM, "Philippe
          Verdy" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="mailto:verdy_p@wanadoo.fr">verdy_p@wanadoo.fr</a>>
          wrote:<br type="attribution">
          <blockquote class="gmail_quote">
            <div dir="ltr">Ok between a quantity number (provided it is
              a short integer) and the following noun or unit
              (unconditional non-breaking before abbreviated units such
              as "m" or "kg"), but between a mouth day number and a
              month or a month and a year, there's no such restriction
              and the space is perfectly breakable (there's no
              quantity-unit relation between these numbers that are just
              enumerated in order).
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>It is just suggested, in wide enough paragraphs, to
                avoid breaking dates, but the same could also be said
                about peole names (first name, last name) or toponyms:
                this is a styling refinement when typesetting documents,
                but actually this only applies if you can predeict the
                paragraph width and the unbreakable part is narrow
                compared to the paragraph, and probably only implemented
                when using justified paragraphs and other whitespaces
                can be expanded.</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>This "rule" on dates is then definitely not a rule
                but a matter of preferences, and only applicable to
                typesetted documents, when you know the fonts used,
                their sizes, the paragraph width, and the kind of text
                justification made (or microjustifications, including
                kerning and variable floatting) around complex
                non-recangular shapes.</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>If you have a table containing dates, non-breaking
                spaces will be worse as it will force other columns to
                become narrower or to have overlapping columns. long
                dates are perfectly breakable in that case I can see lot
                of examples of printed books where long dates in
                paragraphs are broken by linewraps because these are
                clearly separate words in an enumeration (it does not
                matter if the day number or year is spelled completely
                or written with digits, or if there's a weekday name
                prepended or time appended). Only dates in short format
                (dd/mm/yyyy) are unbreakable.</div>
            </div>
            <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
              <div class="gmail_quote">2017-01-24 1:11 GMT+01:00 Pols12
                <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:poltron54@gmail.com" target="_blank">poltron54@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
                <blockquote class="gmail_quote">
                  <div dir="ltr">
                    <div class="gmail_default">According to <a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Conventions_typographiques#NON_C.C3.89SURE_NOMBRE_NOM"
                        target="_blank">w:fr:WP:TYPO</a>, we should use
                      non-breakable spaces in French long format dates.<br>
                    </div>
                  </div>
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                    <div class="m_-5450892868517810914h5">
                      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                        <div class="gmail_quote">2017-01-23 19:36
                          GMT+01:00 Philippe Verdy <span dir="ltr"><<a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:verdy_p@wanadoo.fr"
                              target="_blank">verdy_p@wanadoo.fr</a>></span>:<br>
                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote">
                            <div dir="ltr">There'a absolutely no need of
                              non-breaking spaces in French dates ! The
                              numeric format "dd/mm/yyyy" has no space
                              at all. The long format "dd monthname
                              yyyy" uses standard spaces for word
                              separation (they are breakable). And
                              there's NEVER any space in the middel of
                              the year.
                              <div><br>
                              </div>
                              <div>However the French non-breaking
                                spaces are need for punctuations (before
                                "!", "?", ":" or in the middle of «
                                guillemets » (standard French quotation
                                marks) or in numbers as group
                                separators. These should ideally be
                                narrower than standard spaces (i.e.
                                NNBSP U+203F rather than NBSP U+00A0).
                                But none of these occur in French dates.</div>
                              <div><br>
                              </div>
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                                <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                  <div class="gmail_quote">2017-01-23
                                    19:09 GMT+01:00 Pols12 <span
                                      dir="ltr"><<a
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        href="mailto:poltron54@gmail.com"
                                        target="_blank">poltron54@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
                                    <blockquote class="gmail_quote">
                                      <div dir="ltr">
                                        <div class="gmail_default">According
                                          to me, it’s a real
                                          improvement.<br>
                                          <br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div class="gmail_default">How
                                          can we edit or suggest an edit
                                          to the date format?<br>
                                          Indeed, we used to use
                                          non-breaking spaces in French
                                          dates.<br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div class="gmail_default">Pols12<br>
                                        </div>
                                      </div>
                                      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                        <div class="gmail_quote">2017-01-23
                                          8:45 GMT+01:00 mathieu stumpf
                                          guntz <span dir="ltr"><<a
                                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                                              href="mailto:psychoslave@culture-libre.org"
                                              target="_blank">psychoslave@culture-libre.org</a><wbr>></span>:<br>
                                          <blockquote
                                            class="gmail_quote">
                                            <div>
                                              <p>Well, I don't have much
                                                knowledge about calendar
                                                living practices beyond
                                                Greogorian calendar,
                                                sorry if I misunderstood
                                                your problem. Does that
                                                also apply to day names,
                                                or just month names?<br>
                                              </p>
                                              <p>Would you be kind
                                                enough to give me some
                                                concrete examples of
                                                what you would like to
                                                obtain and what are
                                                possible side effect you
                                                are concern about, with
                                                some explanation and
                                                latin transcription (if
                                                possible)?</p>
                                              <p>I still believe adding
                                                other calendar support
                                                might have some
                                                interest. But maybe it
                                                would be more relevant
                                                to continue this aspect
                                                of the discussion on the
                                                <a
                                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T155824" target="_blank">phabricator
                                                  ticket</a>.<br>
                                              </p>
                                              <div>
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class="m_-5450892868517810914m_-5028645651746786659m_7821255346579296507m_5009463305934617826h5">
                                                  <br>
                                                  <div
class="m_-5450892868517810914m_-5028645651746786659m_7821255346579296507m_5009463305934617826m_4845264401579045547moz-cite-prefix">Le
                                                    20/01/2017 à 13:40,
                                                    Haytham Abulela ALY
                                                    a écrit :<br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <blockquote
                                                    type="cite">
                                                    <div dir="ltr">
                                                      <div
                                                        class="gmail_default">Hi
                                                        Mathieu,</div>
                                                      <div
                                                        class="gmail_default">My
                                                        comment is not
                                                        related to
                                                        Assyrian or
                                                        Aramaic. The
                                                        issue is that
                                                        countries of the
                                                        Levant and
                                                        Mesopotamia have
                                                        applied the
                                                        names of the
                                                        Assyrian/Aramaic
                                                        calendar to the
                                                        Gregorian
                                                        calendar in
                                                        Arabic letters.
                                                        This has become
                                                        a norm for
                                                        decades. I think
                                                        that all that
                                                        needs to be done
                                                        in this regard
                                                        is to update the
                                                        list from which
                                                        the string of
                                                        code suggested
                                                        retrieves
                                                        values, and the
                                                        string of code
                                                        shall remain as
                                                        is without any
                                                        changes
                                                        necessary. My
                                                        concern here
                                                        would be that
                                                        this might
                                                        affect values in
                                                        cells of tables,
                                                        since the string
                                                        of text will
                                                        comprise of two
                                                        or three words.
                                                        If this matter
                                                        becomes a
                                                        nuisance, we may
                                                        ignore it as the
                                                        current state of
                                                        affairs is
                                                        suitable for the
                                                        majority of
                                                        Arabic speakers.
                                                        I was trying to
                                                        have an
                                                        inclusive
                                                        approach instead
                                                        of favouring one
                                                        format over
                                                        another.</div>
                                                      <div
                                                        class="gmail_default">Regards,</div>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div
                                                      class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                                      <div
                                                        class="gmail_quote">On
                                                        20 January 2017
                                                        at 02:25,
                                                        mathieu stumpf
                                                        guntz <span
                                                          dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:psychoslave@culture-libre.org"
                                                          target="_blank">psychoslave@culture-libre.org</a><wbr>></span>
                                                        wrote:<br>
                                                        <blockquote
                                                          class="gmail_quote">
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p>Saluton
                                                          Haytham,<br>
                                                          </p>
                                                          <p>If you look
                                                          at <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions#.23time"
target="_blank">the documentation</a>, non-Gregorian formating is
                                                          supported. Now
                                                          having a
                                                          deeper look at
                                                          it, it seems
                                                          that <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_calendar" target="_blank">Assyrian
                                                          calendar</a>
                                                          is not yet in
                                                          the set of
                                                          supported
                                                          calendars, so
                                                          a phabricator
                                                          ticket should
                                                          be filled here
                                                          I think,
                                                          shouldn't it.
                                                          I don't know
                                                          what is the
                                                          the ISO 639-3
                                                          you would like
                                                          to use "<i>aii</i>"
                                                          (Assyrian
                                                          Neo-Aramaic)
                                                          or <i>"arc</i>"
                                                          (Aramaic
                                                          language), but
                                                          in both case <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                          href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Psychoslave/asiria_kalendaro"
target="_blank">it seems that localization is missing</a> for already
                                                          provided month
                                                          names.<br>
                                                          </p>
                                                          So for the
                                                          sake of the
                                                          example, let's
                                                          say there was
                                                          a "xaF"
                                                          formatting
                                                          code which
                                                          would provide
                                                          an Assyrian
                                                          calendar full
                                                          month name,
                                                          then as far as
                                                          I understand,
                                                          you would like
                                                          to use:<br>
                                                          <blockquote>
                                                          <p><tt>{{#time:xaF|$date1|aii</tt><code></code><tt>}}
({{#time:F|$date1|aii</tt><code></code><tt>}})</tt></p>
                                                          </blockquote>
                                                          <p><tt>Thank
                                                          you Johan for
                                                          the feedback
                                                          request. We
                                                          have here and
                                                          there
                                                          complaints
                                                          when staff is
                                                          argued to not
                                                          take enough
                                                          into account
                                                          community
                                                          advises, so it
                                                          seems fair to
                                                          also emphasize
                                                          actions when
                                                          they are done
                                                          with a
                                                          community
                                                          feedback in
                                                          the loop.<br>
                                                          </tt></p>
                                                          <div
class="m_-5450892868517810914m_-5028645651746786659m_7821255346579296507m_5009463305934617826m_4845264401579045547m_-8350684764110810710moz-cite-prefix">Le
                                                          19/01/2017 à
                                                          18:58, Haytham
                                                          Aly a écrit :<br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <blockquote
                                                          type="cite">
                                                          <p>Hi Johan,</p>
                                                          <p>This idea
                                                          is brilliant.</p>
                                                          <p>My own
                                                          concern for
                                                          Arabic is that
                                                          there are two
                                                          major ways for
                                                          displaying
                                                          Gregorian
                                                          month names;
                                                          transliteration
                                                          as well as the
                                                          Assyrian
                                                          names. Usually
                                                          transliterated
                                                          names suffice,
                                                          but I prefer
                                                          using both
                                                          divided by a
                                                          slash. This is
                                                          due to
                                                          differences in
                                                          official use,
                                                          since
                                                          transliterated
                                                          names are used
                                                          in Egypt,
                                                          Sudan, Libya,
                                                          Yemen, and
                                                          Gulf states;
                                                          while Assyrian
                                                          names are used
                                                          in Iraq,
                                                          Syria,
                                                          Lebanon,
                                                          Jordan and
                                                          Palestine.
                                                          Could this
                                                          automation
                                                          function
                                                          render both or
                                                          just the
                                                          common
                                                          transliterated
                                                          month names?
                                                          It would be a
                                                          bonus to have
                                                          both
                                                          displayed,
                                                          though only
                                                          transliterated
                                                          month names
                                                          would suffice.</p>
                                                          <p>Regards,<br>
                                                          </p>
                                                          <pre class="m_-5450892868517810914m_-5028645651746786659m_7821255346579296507m_5009463305934617826m_4845264401579045547m_-8350684764110810710moz-signature" cols="72">Haytham Abulela Aly

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                                                          <div
class="m_-5450892868517810914m_-5028645651746786659m_7821255346579296507m_5009463305934617826m_4845264401579045547m_-8350684764110810710moz-cite-prefix">On
                                                          19/01/2017
                                                          8:31 AM, Johan
                                                          Jönsson wrote:<br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <blockquote
                                                          type="cite">
                                                          <div dir="ltr">Hi
                                                          everyone,
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>TL;DR:
                                                          Dates in items
                                                          that are in
                                                          the newsletter
                                                          every week
                                                          could be in a
                                                          format that
                                                          means you
                                                          could get a
                                                          100% in the
                                                          translation
                                                          memory and not
                                                          have to change
                                                          the days and
                                                          months every
                                                          week. Do you
                                                          want this?</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Longer
                                                          version:</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Based on
                                                          Mathieu's
                                                          suggestion,
                                                          I've tested
                                                          adding dates
                                                          within
                                                          <tvar>
                                                          tags. This
                                                          makes it more
                                                          complicated
                                                          the first time
                                                          you translate,
                                                          but should
                                                          mean that you
                                                          can then use a
                                                          100% match
                                                          from the
                                                          translation
                                                          memory every
                                                          time and just
                                                          click on it
                                                          the same way
                                                          you do for any
                                                          other content
                                                          that stays
                                                          exactly the
                                                          same, instead
                                                          of manually
                                                          having to
                                                          change the
                                                          days and
                                                          months every
                                                          new week.</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>It looks
                                                          like this:<br>
{#time:<tvar|defualtformat>d
                                                          xg</>|<tvar|date1>2017-01-24</<wbr>>|<tvar|format_language_code>{<wbr>{CURRENTCONTENTLANGUAGE}}</>}}
                                                          which means
                                                          that I get
                                                          this when I
                                                          translate:<br>
{{#time:$defualtformat|$date1|<wbr>$format_language_code}}.</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>For
                                                          Swedish, I can
                                                          just keep it
                                                          like that:
                                                          Where the
                                                          English
                                                          original said
                                                          "24 January"
                                                          the Swedish
                                                          translation
                                                          will say "24
                                                          januari". </div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Some
                                                          languages
                                                          write dates in
                                                          another
                                                          format. For
                                                          Mandarin
                                                          Chinese, the
                                                          first time I
                                                          do a
                                                          translation I
                                                          need to change
                                                          it to
                                                          {{#time:n月j日|$date1|$format_la<wbr>nguage_code}}
                                                          (and the same
                                                          for $date2 and
                                                          $date3). I
                                                          imagine RTL
                                                          languages will
                                                          need to change
                                                          something too
                                                          the first time
                                                          they translate
                                                          this, for
                                                          example.</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>All
                                                          possible
                                                          options are
                                                          described
                                                          here:<br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions#.23time"
target="_blank">https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki<wbr>/Help:Extension:ParserFunction<wbr>s#.23time</a> </div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Pro: Less
                                                          burden for
                                                          returning
                                                          translators.
                                                          You translate
                                                          this once,
                                                          whether you
                                                          change the
                                                          date format or
                                                          not, then you
                                                          just click on
                                                          the
                                                          translation in
                                                          the
                                                          translation
                                                          memory next
                                                          week.</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Con: More
                                                          complicated.
                                                          More difficult
                                                          for new
                                                          translators,
                                                          especially if
                                                          the standard
                                                          format doesn't
                                                          match the
                                                          norms of their
                                                          language.</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>The
                                                          question: Do
                                                          you want this,
                                                          or did you
                                                          prefer it the
                                                          way it was?
                                                          This is all
                                                          about making
                                                          it as easy as
                                                          possible for
                                                          you, so you
                                                          decide.</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><a
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href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=page-Tech%2FNews%2F2017%2F04&action=page"
target="_blank">https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/i<wbr>ndex.php?title=Special:Transla<wbr>te&group=page-Tech%2FNews%2F20<wbr>17%2F04&action=page</a><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><a
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href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tech/News/2017/04" target="_blank">https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik<wbr>i/Tech/News/2017/04</a><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>//Johan
                                                          Jönsson</div>
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