<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">Hi Mathieu,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">My comment is not related to Assyrian or Aramaic. The issue is that countries of the Levant and Mesopotamia have applied the names of the Assyrian/Aramaic calendar to the Gregorian calendar in Arabic letters. This has become a norm for decades. I think that all that needs to be done in this regard is to update the list from which the string of code suggested retrieves values, and the string of code shall remain as is without any changes necessary. My concern here would be that this might affect values in cells of tables, since the string of text will comprise of two or three words. If this matter becomes a nuisance, we may ignore it as the current state of affairs is suitable for the majority of Arabic speakers. I was trying to have an inclusive approach instead of favouring one format over another.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">Regards,</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 20 January 2017 at 02:25, mathieu stumpf guntz <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:psychoslave@culture-libre.org" target="_blank">psychoslave@culture-libre.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p><font face="Linux Biolinum O">Saluton Haytham,<br>
</font></p>
<p><font face="Linux Biolinum O">If you look at <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions#.23time" target="_blank">the
documentation</a>, non-Gregorian formating is supported. Now
having a deeper look at it, it seems that <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_calendar" target="_blank">Assyrian
calendar</a> is not yet in the set of supported calendars, so
a phabricator ticket should be filled here I think, shouldn't it.
I don't know what is the the ISO 639-3 you would like to use "<i>aii</i>"
(Assyrian Neo-Aramaic) or <i>"arc</i>" (Aramaic language), but
in both case <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Psychoslave/asiria_kalendaro" target="_blank">it
seems that localization is missing</a> for already provided
month names.<br>
</font></p>
<font face="Linux Biolinum O">So for the sake of the example, let's
say there was a "xaF" formatting code which would provide an
Assyrian calendar full month name, then as far as I understand,
you would like to use:</font><br>
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<p><tt>{{#time:xaF|$date1|aii</tt><code></code><tt>}}
({{#time:F|$date1|aii</tt><code></code><tt>}})</tt></p>
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<p><tt>Thank you Johan for the feedback request. We have here and
there complaints when staff is argued to not take enough into
account community advises, so it seems fair to also emphasize
actions when they are done with a community feedback in the loop.<br>
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<div class="m_-8350684764110810710moz-cite-prefix">Le 19/01/2017 à 18:58, Haytham Aly a
écrit :<br>
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<p><font size="-1"><font face="Georgia">Hi Johan,</font></font></p>
<p><font size="-1"><font face="Georgia">This idea is brilliant.</font></font></p>
<p><font size="-1"><font face="Georgia">My own concern for Arabic
is that there are two major ways for displaying Gregorian
month names; transliteration as well as the Assyrian names.
Usually transliterated names suffice, but I prefer using
both divided by a slash. This is due to differences in
official use, since transliterated names are used in Egypt,
Sudan, Libya, Yemen, and Gulf states; while Assyrian names
are used in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan and Palestine.
Could this automation function render both or just the
common transliterated month names? It would be a bonus to
have both displayed, though only transliterated month names
would suffice.</font></font></p>
<p><font size="-1"><font face="Georgia">Regards,</font></font><br>
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<div class="m_-8350684764110810710moz-cite-prefix">On 19/01/2017 8:31 AM, Johan Jönsson
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<div dir="ltr">Hi everyone,
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<div>TL;DR: Dates in items that are in the newsletter every
week could be in a format that means you could get a 100% in
the translation memory and not have to change the days and
months every week. Do you want this?</div>
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<div>Longer version:</div>
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<div>Based on Mathieu's suggestion, I've tested adding dates
within <tvar> tags. This makes it more complicated the
first time you translate, but should mean that you can then
use a 100% match from the translation memory every time and
just click on it the same way you do for any other content
that stays exactly the same, instead of manually having to
change the days and months every new week.</div>
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<div>It looks like this:<br>
{#time:<tvar|defualtformat>d
xg</>|<tvar|date1>2017-01-24</<wbr>>|<tvar|format_language_code>{<wbr>{CURRENTCONTENTLANGUAGE}}</>}}
which means that I get this when I translate:<br>
{{#time:$defualtformat|$date1|<wbr>$format_language_code}}.</div>
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</div>
<div>For Swedish, I can just keep it like that: Where the
English original said "24 January" the Swedish translation
will say "24 januari". </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Some languages write dates in another format. For
Mandarin Chinese, the first time I do a translation I need
to change it to {{#time:n月j日|$date1|$format_<wbr>language_code}}
(and the same for $date2 and $date3). I imagine RTL
languages will need to change something too the first time
they translate this, for example.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>All possible options are described here:<br>
</div>
<div><a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions#.23time" target="_blank">https://www.mediawiki.org/<wbr>wiki/Help:Extension:<wbr>ParserFunctions#.23time</a> </div>
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</div>
<div>Pro: Less burden for returning translators. You translate
this once, whether you change the date format or not, then
you just click on the translation in the translation memory
next week.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Con: More complicated. More difficult for new
translators, especially if the standard format doesn't match
the norms of their language.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The question: Do you want this, or did you prefer it the
way it was? This is all about making it as easy as possible
for you, so you decide.</div>
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