<div dir="ltr"><div><div>Thanks Niklas for the reply.<br></div>Notwithstanding the
subject line's snark, and despite the fact that components of the
problem have been solved for a long time, from a user's perspective
there hasn't been progress on the handicap (not being able to <span class="">translate</span> from <span class="">languages</span>
other than English on Meta) as a whole for years now, which does run
counter to our ethos of being multilingual and encouraging contributions
in all <span class="">languages</span>.<br>
If Kunal succeeds, that would be great, but if he doesn't or it takes
too long to integrate his work, I would recommend prioritising this
issue somewhat higher and giving it the necessary resources at the WMF.<br><br>
</div>Best regards,<br>Bence <br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Philippe Verdy <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:verdy_p@wanadoo.fr" target="_blank">verdy_p@wanadoo.fr</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">This is good development, but I don't see why we need a special page to define what is metadata of the page itself. May be it will be accessible from the VisualEditor; like we edit categories, but such metadata is a general need for lots of other applications. The general need would be to be able to associate metadata with a symbolic type to any page: just a few metadata is currently handled in MediaWiki: categories, default sortkeys, interwiki links, plus a few other flags inserted by using magic words (like __NOINDEX__).<div>
<br></div><div>There are also external metadata stored in Wikidata for some wiki projects. More are needed (e.g. for different typing sort keys).</div><div>Any way I expect to see soon a reliable way to detect the page language including for translated pages; but more importantly for sources of translations without having to assume they are in English, or create thme in another language and creating a pseudo-translation to the original language by copying keys, then modifying the English source again but keeping the original text.</div>
<div>At least, when we mark a new page for translation, we should immediately have an option asking in which language is the source; if it's not specifid by the new experimental Special:PageLanguage page (which is not necessarily needed).</div>
<div><br></div><div>And once a source page has been marked for translation, the Translate tool should have a simple API to query its language or the language used in the generated translations, And ideally, we should be able to swithc from one source language to another (for example some projects start in English, but are later managed in German or Chinese, or a local Chapter initially creates documents in its own local language such as French, Hindi or Spanish, and will not use English as the reference (this is important for pages reporting local projects mostly done in other languages, outside countries or regions with a majority of native English-speakers, i.e: most countries of the world, including Europe (and even North America where French and Spanish are very present too ; Spanish and Chinese are also growing fast in US, and here there are aslo local communities that would like to promote their own local projects in their native non-English tongue : do you remember that US does not have any "official" language ?).</div>
<div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-08-14 16:52 GMT+02:00 Niklas Laxström <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:niklas.laxstrom@gmail.com" target="_blank">niklas.laxstrom@gmail.com</a>></span>:<div>
<div class="h5"><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Translate extension has supported for a long time having any language<br>
as the source language. There just has not been an interface in<br>
MediaWiki to set the source language of a page.<br>
<br>
The good news is that Kunal Grover, a GSoC student has created<br>
Special:PageLanguage to do just that. [1] I expect it will be<br>
available quite soon.<br>
<br>
<br>
In the future, please use a subject line which does not sound like an<br>
accusation.<br>
<br>
-Niklas<br>
<br>
[1] <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Kunalgrover05/Progress_Report" target="_blank">https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Kunalgrover05/Progress_Report</a><br>
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