[teampractices] Trellos & Minglers, what is blocking your migration to Phabricator?

[Kristen Lans]

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> On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Dan Garry <dgarry at wikimedia.org> wrote:

What would help is for someone to build out example Phabricator boards for
> my team's current and next sprints, and to prove me wrong about thinking it
> lacks the required functionality.


Dan, I met with Quim and went over some issues and plan to do exactly as
you say above (build out boards) and review/discuss with the app and mobile
web teams (hopefully with Quim there too!).


> Real time updates.
> multi-user simultaneous editing


+1 to these. Mobile web and apps teams spend a fair amount of time sitting
together around Trello, often making concurrent flurries of updates: adding
estimates, editing tasks, labeling, adding members, moving things around.
Real time update are very useful for our remote team to stay up to speed.
When I used JIRA/Greenhopper in my last job, we always had to screenshare
for everyone to be on the same page. Using Trello we generally all open the
current board individually and follow along and things move along at a nice
pace. Phab generally has many more clicks/page reloads which creates drag.

With that being said, I am fully in support of the rationale behind the
switch to Phab, and hope we can find a way forward that fulfills this goal
and works for the teams using the tool.

I plan to send along my notes on Trello -> Phab pros/cons/workarounds to
this list, so stay tuned!



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On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 3:12 PM, Quim Gil <qgil at wikimedia.org> wrote:

> Now you can track the WMF Phabricator migration progress here and in the
> subtasks for each team:
>
> Goal: The majority of WMF developer teams and sprints have moved to
> Phabricator
> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T825
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Dan Garry <dgarry at wikimedia.org> wrote:
>
>> Let's not turn this in to a debate about the advantages of native
>> applications over mobile web pages. :-)
>
>
> Phabricator doesn't beat a Trello appp but is very capable in mobile
> browsers. Details below.
>
>
> Basically, what's blocking me is a lack of understanding of Phabricator
>> and a lack of time to poke around in it to try to replicate a similar
>> experience to that I get from Trello. I have doubts that Phabricator has
>> everything I need, especially since I have yet to be consulted before being
>> faced with this migration deadline. What would help is for someone to build
>> out example Phabricator boards for my team's current and next sprints, and
>> to prove me wrong about thinking it lacks the required functionality.
>>
>
> Dan, I'm happy to sit next to you and your current Trello sprints,
> recreate a test in http://phab-01.wmflabs.org, answer your questions,
> dissipate FUD. I'm also happy in joining one of your team meetings to
> observe how your work, and whether anything you do is not possible in
> Phabricator.
>
> For what is worth, this week I had a session with Kristen Lans, she had a
> great collection of questions and comments, and we were very happy of how
> Phabricator had gone through the test.
>
>
> MOBILE & REAL-TIME
>
> About mobile features... if we are talking about blockers as in "my team
> cannot migrate to Phabricator until this is fixed", I don't see any. You
> can create, edit, assign, prioritize, and comment on tasks with your mobile
> browser (and some of these actions can be performed simply replying to
> notifications over email). You can create sprints and workboards too, and
> other actions less frequent.
>
> As of today you cannot move tasks in workboards from a mobile device. You
> can get push notifications when someone updates the page you are looking
> at, but simultaneous real-time editing is not there.
>
> While these features will save you time and pains in Trello, at the end
> what counts is the total sum of time and pains that you accumulate using
> one tool or another. I have no doubt that joining the common project
> management pool in Phabricator will save a lot of time and lots of pains
> compared to any other situation.
>
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