[RCom-l] The tragedy of the Commons

[Ziko van Dijk]

Hello,

I think that it is not necessary or good to wait to a later skype
conference to discuss the problem. By the way, I personally am not a
huge fan of skype conferences with more than say 4 persons, I find it
difficult to follow.

Fine that Diederik started the discussion here.

According to me, the presence of Mayo Fuster Morell is not a problem.
If necessary we can still "exclude" her by individual mails. But in
general I find her input useful.

Kind regards
Ziko


2011/12/12 Diederik van Liere <dvanliere at gmail.com>:
> Dear WSC,
>
> I think we need to be very precise about what the Berkman controversy is
> about. My understanding is that the use of banners with logo's on central
> notice during the fundraiser and the kickback of donations is at the heart
> of the controversy. It is not about the legitimacy of the research
> institutes, nor is it about surveys as a research methodology, or the actual
> research questions. As such, I think that we need to discus how to to
> promote research studies but not debate the merits of Wikipedia research
> itself.
>
> Best
>
> Diederik
>
> Sent from use  my iPhone
>
> On 2011-12-12, at 13:30, WereSpielChequers <werespielchequers at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I'm comfortable with a meeting next week, but I think that the community and
> our research partners will want to hear something in the meantime. There
> would also be a benefit if we could hold some on wiki discussions as to the
> Omnibus survey or any other option.
>
> Clearly one of our options would be to run an RFC to seek consent of the EN
> wiki community for us to resume Berkman and run similar things in the
> future. But even if we promised some sort of vanilla  advert for it I doubt
> we would get consensus or anything close.
>
> We could probably get consensus for an opt in research system so that those
> who wanted to could subscribe to some sort of research mailing list of
> questionnaires. But I don't think that opt in would give us the volume that
> researchers are likely to want and I fear we'd have skews.
>
> If anyone can think of an alternative option I would suggest creating a
> draft such as I have at
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Omnibus_Survey so that we and the
> community can consider it.
>
> Another way to defuse current tension would be for Rcomm  to invite a couple
> of the people who have been arguing against the Berkman survey to join us in
> our meeting next week.
>
> Regards
>
> WSC
>
> On 12 December 2011 17:52, Dario Taraborelli <dtaraborelli at wikimedia.org>
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi WSC,
>>
>> thanks for starting this, I agree we need to have a serious assessment of
>> what happened with the Berkman incident and discuss alternative options (if
>> any) for the future.
>> I suggest that we hold an extraordinary RCom meeting some time next week
>> to discuss these measures since we have other SR requests on hold.
>>
>> If nobody objects I am going to start a doodle to find a date that suits
>> most of us (cc:ing Dana). It'd be great if those among you heavily invested
>> in SR discussions/reviews could make it.
>>
>> Dario
>>
>> On Dec 12, 2011, at 6:50 AM, WereSpielChequers wrote:
>>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> After the rather hostile response on the English language wikipedia to the
>> Berkman survey I would like to revive my proposal from five months ago for
>> an annual Omnibus survey.
>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Omnibus_Survey
>>
>> I appreciate that this would put some constraints on the researchers and
>> would actually cost the Foundation a bit of money. But unless someone else
>> can come up with an alternative way of fairly throttling research surveys to
>> the point where the community can accept them, I would suggest that this is
>> the only viable option on  the table other than a simple blanket ban on
>> third party research surveys.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> WereSpielChequers
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