[QA] Weekend testing americas on September 7th
Chris McMahon
christopher.mcmahon at gmail.com
Tue Aug 20 20:20:41 UTC 2013
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Quim Gil <qgil at wikimedia.org> wrote:
> On 08/16/2013 07:41 AM, Justin Rohrman wrote:
>
>> This sounds like a great idea to me. The timing would certainly be tight
>> but I think with the VMs and Vagrant usage we should be good. I'll ping
>> Michael and see what he thinks.
>>
>
> It is a great idea and it is technically ambitious. Participants must
> understand that they need to do some homework before the weekend. It is all
> well documented (and I will go through the process & docs again before the
> end of this month) but it takes time and good bandwidth to get your
> environment downloaded and installed.
>
I'd like to do this but I think it will be October at the earliest.
Between the Labor Day holiday and some other schedule conflicts, September
is not going to happen.
-
>
>
>
>>
>> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 14:12:08 -0700
>>
>> From: Chris McMahon <cmcmahon at wikimedia.org
>> <mailto:cmcmahon at wikimedia.org**>>
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>> To: "QA (software quality assurance) for Wikimedia projects."
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>> Subject: Re: [QA] Weekend testing americas on September 7th
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>> On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 6:43 AM, Justin Rohrman <rohrmanj at gmail.com
>> <mailto:rohrmanj at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> > Let's hear it :)
>> >
>>
>> Here goes...
>>
>> There is a certain tension in the testing community between
>> advocates for
>> UI/browser test automation and advocates for human "sapient"
>> testing. I'd
>> like to go there.
>>
>> Specifically, I'd like to do this with Weekend Testing:
>>
>> * Pick a complex feature for which browser test automation exists.
>> Right
>> now I'm thinking CirrusSearch or VisualEditor. Because we're using
>> Cucumber, the test Scenarios should be understandable by people who
>> are not
>> programmers. Because we're using the page_object Ruby gem, the guts
>> of the
>> tests should be readable by people with programming experience in just
>> about any language. Regardless of level of expertise, we should be
>> able
>> to provide everyone a local test environment from which to run the
>> automated tests against WMF hosts either natively or with a
>> VirtualBox VM
>> configured via vagrant (http://www.mediawiki.org/**wiki/Vagrant<http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Vagrant>).
>> We have
>> done this before:
>>
>> online: https://www.mediawiki.org/**wiki/Meetings/2013-07-18<https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Meetings/2013-07-18>
>> live: https://www.mediawiki.org/**wiki/Meetings/2013-06-27<https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Meetings/2013-06-27>
>>
>> Given a robust set of automated browser tests and the ability to run
>> them,
>> let us then:
>>
>> * Identify deficiencies in the automated test coverage for the
>> feature.
>> This may or may not include analysis of the test code itself, but
>> would
>> certainly at least include analysis of the ATDD-style stated feature
>> coverage in the Cucumber Scenarios. Do we have any technical debt
>> in our
>> test code?
>>
>> * Identify test charters for which automated testing is not possible
>> and
>> which are only testable by actual human beings. Are there tests that
>> cannot be automated, and is such testing worthwhile?
>>
>> Outcomes:
>>
>> * Participants will be able to analyze ATDD-style automated browser
>> tests
>> * Participants will be able to run Cucumber + page_object browser
>> tests and
>> analyze the results of those tests
>> * Participants will be able to demonstrate automated browser test
>> practices
>> with examples from the open WMF browser test code
>> * Participants will be able to begin to contribute to WMF testing
>> efforts
>> if they wish, whether automated or not
>>
>> This might be too ambitious. I'm pretty sure this would be the most
>> technically challenging session in the history of WTA. OTOH, we've
>> already
>> built the infrastructure to do this kind of thing, let's spread the
>> word
>> about what is possible.
>>
>> -Chris
>>
>>
>>
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>> >> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 08:56:54 -0700
>> >> From: Chris McMahon <cmcmahon at wikimedia.org
>> <mailto:cmcmahon at wikimedia.org**>>
>>
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>> >> I actually have an idea that I think would be of interest to WTA
>> and of
>> >> benefit to WMF, but I'd like to encourage others to reply first..
>> >>
>> >> -C
>> >>
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