[MediaWiki-l] What PHP version do you use?

Boris Steipe boris.steipe at utoronto.ca
Tue Dec 8 00:13:40 UTC 2015


Bill - I think you are setting up a false dichotomy here.

I will take command-line over GUI any day. All I'm asking for is that the tool does not become the job. 


B.




On Dec 7, 2015, at 4:25 PM, Bill Traynor <btraynor at gmail.com> wrote:

> Perhaps I'm confused, but it sounds to me like there are certain
> classes of MediaWiki administrators out there.  There's those who
> would prefer a hands free experience, or at the very least a point and
> click GUI-based administration experience and those that are would
> prefer a more command-line based, power-user administrative
> experience.  Am I wrong?
> 
> Personally, I fall in the latter group.  I prefer to track MediaWiki
> and all extensions from the command line using Git.  I've never used
> Composer up to this point and have had no problems.
> 
> My only gripe about MediaWiki is that the development road map seems
> to be directed foremost by the needs of Wikimedia in support of
> Wikipedia.  Of course, I can't really complain as it's FOSS and if I
> was highly motivated, I could develop the things I really want.
> Examples being somewhat "enterprisey", like better Oracle support,
> finer grained and flexible content management, etc. etc.
> 
> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 3:55 PM, Francis Franck <francis.franck at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'm afraid you've got a point there, Boris. Your not alone.
>> 
>> Contrary to you, I 've (up to now) tried to keep everything up to date. I
>> must now admit that the advantages of doing so are rapidly vanishing. Too
>> often this ends in a time consuming trial and error, leading into fault
>> messages and malfunction, hence a loss of confidence. I think I will change
>> policies and keep things as they are until I notice a more coherent upgrade
>> approach.
>> 
>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 9:34 PM, Boris Steipe <boris.steipe at utoronto.ca>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Just to counter that, you are overlooking a crucial point ...
>>> On Dec 7, 2015, at 11:44 AM, Ray Paseur <ray.paseur at armedia.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I believe that using the latest software is almost always a good idea.
>>> We are going to upgrade eventually - why deny ourselves the benefits of the
>>> latest software by putting off the upgrades?  The only argument in favor of
>>> delay would be a breaking change, and this is something that the authors of
>>> the software must publicize.
>>> 
>>> I hold off updates as long as at all possible, the reason being that over
>>> the last years new versions of the software have almost never come with
>>> tangible benefits to my core use. It is almost always just fixing
>>> edge-cases we don't care about and better support for things we don't use.
>>> Why? Because we have developed a workflow around the software as it existed
>>> about three years ago and there is really no reason to change that. The
>>> benefit of not using the latest is that we get to skip releases and frankly
>>> every single release just takes way, way to long to install and verify and
>>> fix across our multiple Wikis. Every release I can skip gives me half a day
>>> of my life!
>>> 
>>> The release cycles are too short. As far as I'm concerned, MediaWiki works
>>> oK, if it would do just what it does; that would be nice, and aspiring to
>>> anything else is just not what I'm interested in. The only reason why I'm
>>> constantly on the lookout for alternatives to MW are the frequent
>>> required/recommended updates.
>>> 
>>> I'm pretty sure I'm not alone in this.
>>> 
>>> Now, if a new version would come out that would autoupdate and configure
>>> itself and make sure it keeps on working with my (completely standard)
>>> extensions, that would be nice. Too modern?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Boris
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