[MediaWiki-l] What PHP version do you use?

P. Josepherum papaverjosepherum at gmail.com
Mon Dec 7 19:09:06 UTC 2015

So I have would like to update as I tend to keep my server environment as
modern as possible, but unfortunately it seems that PHP7 nor PHP7-FPM are
yet to be published to the Debain testing repository. Does anyone know if
there are any unofficial repositories for the packages?

On Mon, 7 Dec 2015, 16:44 Ray Paseur <ray.paseur at armedia.com> wrote:

> Greetings, colleagues.
> I took the PHP survey, so that part is done, but I'd like to weigh in on
> some of the comments I've seen in this thread.  I have read all of your
> comments, and I agree with everything written here.
> First and foremost, thanks to all who support the software and the
> community.  This mailing list gives me a welcome word every day.
> I believe that using the latest software is almost always a good idea.  We
> are going to upgrade eventually - why deny ourselves the benefits of the
> latest software by putting off the upgrades?  The only argument in favor of
> delay would be a breaking change, and this is something that the authors of
> the software must publicize.
> Second, I'm very empathetic to anyone who experiences troubles installing
> products or doing upgrades.  In the PHP world, we have worked hard to make
> the major systems (WordPress, Joomla, Drupal, Laravel, etc.,) easy to
> install and upgrade, and to clearly identify breaking changes from one
> version to the next.  It's almost axiomatic that breaking changes may not
> occur from one release to the next.  The PHP-FIG (Framework
> Interoperability Group) has been instrumental in guiding our thinking on
> this point.
> PHP version 5, since PHP 5.3 has been pretty stable.  I have not
> experienced a breaking change at all, up through PHP 5.6+.  I have
> experienced deprecation warnings (mostly related to the antiquated MySQL
> extension) but these warnings can be suppressed, allowing time for
> developers to change to a supported database extension.  This model of
> "deprecation before abandonment" has proved very useful for those of us who
> want to be up-to-date, and has given ample notice to those of us who want
> to remain on old software.
> PHP version 7 (there is no version 6) introduces breaking changes with the
> removal of previously deprecated features.  But it's also much faster and
> has better language support for some modern design and coding techniques.
> That said, it seems logical to me that future releases of MW should "just
> work" with PHP 7.  There may be a good bit of work between "should" and
> "just works" but this seems like an enticing objective.
> Some MW Extensions use PHP code that is PHP release-dependent.  Finding
> and catching these instances before installing a breaking change is not
> easy.  For example, consider a PHP 5.3 platform that needs the EmbedVideo
> extension.  There is a gotcha - EmbedVideo uses a PHP array notation that
> is not supported in PHP 5.3.  This is something that Composer is supposed
> to help us with.  Throughout the PHP community, the universal advice is "If
> you're not using Composer yet, start using Composer!"  Though I resisted
> that advice for a couple of years, I've found Composer to be one of those
> things like Git version control.  It can save you much more than it costs
> you.  So I would encourage anyone reading this thread to consider Composer
> and embrace it if possible.  Perhaps greater publicity about Composer
> should issue forth from the Foundation?  Perhaps there should be a
> community-standards requirement to use Composer to publish new or updated
> versions of MS Extensions?
> And on a slight tangent, but related... A native and naked installation of
> MediaWiki should not be an inviting hacker target.  We should be able to
> download and install the software without having to think too much.  Then
> we should be able to extend update rights to our community according to our
> community's needs.  "Built by devs for devs" is so 2005.  Less
> configuration and more convention is a better paradigm for our future.
> Again, thanks to all.  I hope to see you in San Francisco,
> Ray Paseur
> Armedia, LLC
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Love and waffles,

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