On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 9:23 PM, Jay Ashworth <jra(a)baylink.com> wrote:
Something other than Wikia, then?
On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 11:25 AM, Paul Selitskas <p.selitskas(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
I think Brion should have expressed some distinction
between Wiki services
(like Wikia), and hosting services that provide everything for MediaWiki to
run smoothly, incl. caching software and other fancy stuff.
Ideally, my vision of a general-purpose wiki hosting service would provide
options that orgs like Wikia generally don't. Wikia for instance covers
"fan encyclopedia" type projects very well -- open access, openish license,
free ad-supported hosting, casual user ownership with public backups.
I'm thinking more along the lines of covering some of those folks who right
now are setting up quick ad-hoc installs on their own servers or shared
hosting, and then possibly not maintaining the software for years because
they have better things to do than figure out how to update and tweak the
software.
(Right now I have the impression many of those folks have everything work
great until it does eventually break or needs an update...)
* ability to disable ads for a reasonable cost (or perhaps waived for
certain approved projects)
* ability to customize your skin!
* ability to control or restrict access (limited access, custom auth
integration, etc)
* ability to host on your own domain
* ability to host on SSL
* ability to write, install and run custom extensions
* custom writing, testing, and maintenance of custom extensions
* service tracking down and fixing bugs
* etc
This might mean customers span a range of actual hosting methods, from
"generic wiki on a farm-style cluster" (like Wikimedia and Wikia's primary
wiki hosting) to "you pay for a dedicated VPS mini-cluster for your custom
code" to "we run dedicated servers for your expensive custom site",
perhaps
all the way to "we provide consulting and support to help with your own
server setup".
There are some folks doing contracting/services and hosting on smaller
scales, but we don't really have good coordination or a end-user-facing
place we can point people for comprehensive support.
Perhaps we just need to coordinate the people doing support and hosting
already, or perhaps we should consider organizing something either under,
or separately from, WMF... I'm not going to make any specific demands at
this point, I've just been itching to see something happen on this front
for years. :)
-- brion
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Subject: [Wikitech-l] Officially supported MediaWiki hosting service?
Question for the group:
Would an officially supported general-purpose MediaWiki hosting
service be
useful to people who would like to run wikis, but don't have the time,
expertise, or resources to maintain their own installation?
If so, what can we (as interested parties in MediaWiki development and
use)
do to make this happen?
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